Rojo

Your attempt to bait Nicky to divert the thread from MLA Governments red tape won’t work with me but you keep on trying.

There is a message however in your posts for Nicky if one cares to look.

That message is loud and clear. You can’t MAKE people care about animals. Just like the genes of the dog we are talking about breeding here.

The breeding of a person and blood line is no different to that of animals.
Either you’re born with sensitivity or your not.

Nicky No amount of protesting to these people or the Government will ever change things for animals.

I admire your efforts but its action that’s required here otherwise animal welfare will remain on the same par as our good old Churches. Simply lip service)

You don’t honestly think I would be stupid enough to post names on the net of companies in Australia with links to mafia do you.


What is required if you want to start to make a difference is for individual people to get out and start their own project on the farm and working with people overseas who want to purchase meat.

Lots a small plants reopening. Someone with the contacts to assist by ensuring ALL are given a fair go obtaining export licences.

We can do with without the FF the Governments err, help or MLA or even Austrade.
These organisations imo are put there to control the industry and block red meat exports to a large degree in favour of their mates within the industry of the live animal export trade.

So if anybody wants to make a difference there is one way only.

Using all their energy lobbying the 'very people' who are 'pushing'is a waste of time. .

Nothing else is ever going to make the difference. I for one refuse to waste time flogging a dead horse.

We either do it ourselves or allow it to go on.

Dickie dear, rest assured that if my dogs had as little common sense
as you and Nicky, they would be spayed tomorrow!

As it happens, its not farmers dogs that generally go feral,
but city slickers who visit the bush, hobby farmers who don't
know what they are doing etc. People rent houses on some farm
in the country, they don't control their little darlings, next
thing they are out ripping into sheep. Ask any farmer who
farms near a town, where his problems come from.

I've shot a few dogs on this place, all owned by blow ins,
not by other farmers. A couple ripped apart a few sheep,
before finally being shot.

Nicky, the fact that you are terrified of death and can't
deal with it, is your problem, not my problem. If dogs and
cats are unwanted, then the RSPCA do the right thing and
put them down. Fair enough, there is no issue there.
Better to put a dog down, then have it chained up for
most of its life, badly treated. That is exactly why
I won't sell my pups, but if I know of great homes
for them, then that is wonderful. Of this litter,
4 are spoken for, the other two we'll see. They are
still young.

I've answered your Chinese dog question many times now,
but it seems that you are unable to read and actually
think about my posts, too busy posting more nonsense
to the thread.

*If dogs and
cats are unwanted, then the RSPCA do the right thing and
put them down. Fair enough, there is no issue there.*

That’s rather ill-informed not to mention insular. As a matter of fact Yabby if you ask the RSPCA there’s a huge issue.
RSPCA are sick to death of irresponsible people both in domestic and farm animals.

The amount of unnecessary suffering that goes on because of people thinking there’s not much of an issue- just putting animals down or killing them is nothing short of criminal.

Getting back to the real issue if you cant SEE the suffering fear and discomfort on the faces of the sheep cattle camels and the dozens of others on those ships frankly then there’s something wrong with you. Your counter argument has always been what about the farmers.
What about the breeders and farmers indeed:
Its time they got off their arse and confronted the Government.

Good men have stood up and thrown punches in the past as to how their animals were being treated. Good men blocked the wharfs and let me tell you.
Money had little to do with it.

No 'real man' supports live exports and certainly no REAL farmers.

I agree Animal Welfare groups need basic education and to get involved with farmers and buyers of Halal products I also know they are doing what the GOOD farmers started.

The disgusting lies of the Government MLA and others are a matter of record.
For years the libbers said an ALP Government would do more for Animals than a Howard Government.

Well here they are the ALP and the Milky bar Kid.

We started out with lies two weeks after being elected! Some Chinese Sheila has allowed our water to be sold to an offshore company.
Crikey.
That could only happen in Australia. I’m stuffed if I know where this country is heading .

Yabby, I meant a rational answer. Neither have I ever stated that I fear death, nor is that even relevant to this debate either way. I said it is irresponsible to bring animals into the world to kill them - in this case, cross-bred puppies, whose "bloodline" claims to fame are most likely in your eyes only. You are also risking your dog getting mammary and other cancers by not having her spayed, but that wouldn't bother you, of course. Nor do your sweeping generalizations about "city" people and their dogs have any foundation in fact beyond your own tainted observation.

PALE, I don't know that animal advocacy groups thought a Labor government would do any more about this than the Howard government, politicians from the major parties will always sell out to the highest bidder - equate that to listening to those who howl the loudest, and at this time it is the farming lobby which now is able to claim drought as an addition to its much whinged about woes (despite being compensated for it). Kerry O'Brien would have been beaten into submission by the farming lobby even had he managed to retain the portfolio.

You also seem to think that people can abandon their jobs to do what you want them to do. Most of us have people depending upon is in some way or another, and furthermore, being where it is possible to maintain relationships with the media matters. In the letter writing context, I'd suggest that if you're not getting responses to your letters perhaps you could use some business advice. For example, have you tried to speak to Wirthless by phone? Or Lynn Bradshaw? Or Handle with Care?

As I have said countless times before, different animal welfare groups have different strategies and philosophies, and that is a good thing. They think their ways are the way to go and you think yours is. Live and let live.

Nicky

*Neither have I ever stated that I fear death,*

You don't need to state it in words, for your whole philosophy comes
back to having a problem with it, which is repeated again and
again. Birth and death are part of life, get used to it. If
you are hit by a proverbial truck tomorrow, you won't know about
dying and it really won't matter. The world keeps spinning, with
you or without you.

*whose "bloodline" claims to fame are most likely in your eyes only.*

Ah more uninformed bulldust from Nicky. As a matter of fact,
2 of these pups are going to great homes for a simple reason.
Last time my dog had pups, one of them went to some good friends
some distance from here. They, as well as visitors to their home,
are so thrilled with having a bright dog that's had a happy
puppyhood and no abuse, that when word got out on the grapevine
that there were some more pups around, they were immediately
wanted. Forget all this crap about overbred purebreds.

*You are also risking your dog getting mammary and other cancers*

What I do is risk my dog of having a natural life and that has
now included raising two sets of pups, which she clearly enjoys.
But of course once again your focus is on worry about death,
rather then the enjoyable life which she leads, day for day.

pale, no bait. If we accept eating pigs which some choose to keep as pets, and are everybit as intelligent as dogs if not moreso, then why don't we think dogs are capable of being used as food. There is the same shock at horsemeat consumption in France and Kangaroo in Australia by countries that have stereotypical views.

It gets down to the deep seated feelings we have for personal pets, that we impose on other beings. I wouldn't eat a pet, because of close personal attachment, but I'd have no trouble eating anyone elses. Some people expand the personal attachment part beyond rationality.