Nicky, your lack of intelligence and ignorance, really knows no
limits! Where did I say that I sell pups? Where did I say that
I breed show dogs? Where did I say that they are thoroughbreds?

Fact is that the female I have is a mutt, which I purchased from
a drover, who had worked with sheep for 40 years. She was the
runt of the litter! Fact is that from day 1, she had personality
and brains, like no other dog I've ever owned. Those characteristics
are worth preserving. My original thought had been correct, ie
a bloke who worked all day with sheep for 40 years, would know
something about having good sheep dogs. My dog has got it Nicky,
you clearly have not :)

But nope, you jump off to your little conclusions that I breed dogs
for money and sell them. Some people can't help themselves, they
are just born the way they are. All that university can't help
them get over their ignorance. You are a classic example.

We know what conditions are like on the boats, we have Australian
vets on every boat. We don't rely on one oil worker for our
information, but on qualified Australians. Many have travelled
on those boats.

If you knew about the live trade, you would know that before going
on a boat, sheep are held in huge holding sheds and fed pellets,
sorted, inspected etc. Before they leave those facilities, to
go on a truck to go to the wharf, is the best time for AQIS to
inspect them, so that any which they think are unsuitable, can
be removed. That is easy to do at a holding facility, hard to
do on the wharf. Just because you can't see the AQIS people
inspecting the sheep, does not mean that they are not doing their
jobs. It means that you don't understand how the industry functions

Nicky is to be commended for her most accurate post.

The usual henchman stuff spills from Yabby's mouth.

I must say that not only does he not spay his bitches, he clearly does not neuter his dogs either. Why spend a quid on "dumb" animals eh? Unless of course his bitch went bush and mated with a "feral" animal.

Many "feral" animals have originated from farming properties - (animals "in season" like to go walkabout.)

This is yet another disgraceful revelation on Yabby's shabby practices but hardly surprising.

*Perhaps either Yabby or PALE can enlighten us about the so called "red tape"*

Yabby-

*The laws governing what happens in meatworks are dependant on
International agreements that overseas markets have with Australia*

*If we don't comply with EU, US laws etc, they deny us access to
Their meat markets*(Tick Correct)

*That includes their inspectors inspecting our
Plants, to see that they meet their standards.* (Tick correct)

*That is why it’s so complex to obtain registration of export plants.*
(Tick correct)

*Not Because of any conspiracy theories*
WRONG! Yabby don’t tell me YOU who claim to have some knowledge on the meat industry have no knowledge of how the trade and trade dollars are manipulated.

You’re not serious-. Well well old Yabby is just a babe in the woods after all.
Australia doesn’t need USA or anybody else to check our plants. The meat industry FYI is the most corrupt industry world wide.
Just the way it is I guess.
http://members.tripod.com/~orgcrime/japecoli.htm
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=4PKeOjgW1zkC&pg=PA287&lpg=PA287&dq=mafia+co
http://foro.traducegratis.com/deportes-y-ocio/3662-mafia-siciliana.html
Silence of the Calves
And discount meat can also be obtained surreptitiously on the spot market through smaller distributors with Mafia connections. ...
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-16119677.html

Nicky

Ok if it makes you happy I will write an open letters to Ministers.
pls can we stay on track. Allow Yabby to explain the ‘red tape’ further.

Dear Peter McGauran

I have been requested to write open letters to Ministers by Nicky in preference to writing to Hugh Wirth. Could confirm a discussion with your advisor on the Gold Coast regarding live exports.
At that meeting your representative advised that two days prior they had sat with yourself at a meeting with Dr Wirth acting as President of WSPA and David Bowles President RSPCA UK where by they both pledged their ongoing support for live exports.
That was the same week RSPCA National launched their national appeal against live exports and farm animals if you recall.

Could you now confirm your advisors accuracy.

Thank You

Regards

Hey Nicky, think I am getting the hang of this now- tar.

Think I will write to Kevin Rudd next .

PALE, the point I was trying to make was that your "open letters" on this forum really go nowhere., Do you honestly think Rudd, Wirth, and the now totally irrelevant McGauran even see them?

If you want to make a noise you have to do it rather more publicly than this, I'm afraid. In recent times it seems that only four people have read this thread, including you. It's absolutely a no-brainer. It just doesn't go anywhere! Who cares what McGauran's adviser said whenever? That's a dead argument.

As for your links, I'm afraid they would confirm Yabby's views about conspiracy theories, The Mafia the Yakuza have little to do with any industry in Australia, and the Chinese certainly are not in a position to point the finger at anyone about sanitation of anything. Organized crime really isn't that big in Australia, especially in the humble meat industry. It just isn't worth enough.

Why could your RSPCA Queensland CEO not get Wirth's attention? Why can he not get Lynn Bradshaw's attention? As I said - if you want Wirth to take notice the only thing that will do it is camping on his doorstep.

As for Yabby and his dog that has been (probably just his bad syntax and sentence construction) minding sheep for 40 years it must be some dog. But at the end of the day anyone could tell him that people do not flock (excuse the pun) to buy cross-bred puppies. He just needs to have a look at the RSPCA stats on euthanised dogs every year, but killing animals is not something that bothers him, so it's unlikely that he will. And those are only the recorded numbers and do not include those whom farmers and others who traffic in dogs drown or knock on the head. Still no answer on exporting dogs to China, I notice though, beyond the usual claptrap and avoidance.

Nicky

Why would trafficing dogs be a big deal anyway. Positively civilised compared to sex and children trafficing of humans for instance.
At least dog trafficing by farmers would be of the legal variety, through proper channels. I have to admit it's a marketing opportunity I'd never looked into - seeing as I don't have any dogs, nor any intention of changing the status quo. I don't see much hope for such a market, china exports dog meat as it is.

From those in the know St Bernards seem the go. If translation is accurate: http://www.aapn.org/stbernard.html

The problem isn't that people eat dog, it's the way the dog is raised and treated. Presumably not in wide open spaces with freedom to socialise with their peers like sheep and cattle. I wonder what you'd use to muster dogs.

Depends how you think of the dogs too, images of your own friendly "loving" one, or the vicious one down the road. The former and you'd abhor the dog trade, the latter?

Nicky

Do try to have some sense of humour.

This may be a shock but I don’t need help with whom to write to- tar anyway.( you mean well.)

I write - a bit of this, and that, which comes up on Goggles where ‘everybody’ can read it.
It’s worked rather well in the past.. example=

MLA head in Middle East head head Ian Ross called me and said.
* MLA would ‘not ‘be prepared to present to customers in the Middle East our programme to co joint ventures in Australia with farmers and abattoir owners.*

MLA said they would do * nothing that would *compete with* live exports or *interfere with live exports.

That’s a pretty big confession coming from the head guy considering they deny live gets favouritism to chill.


You have a goose like me prepared to stand up to Hugh and MLA. I don’t see anybody else coming up with solid info on these guys do you.

Yabby’s saying there is nothing wrong with the system. I am saying are you calling me a liar Yabby- which he refuses to answer.



The other thing I am trying to do is to give 'you' the heads up on info that you would otherwise not have.


Stop a moment and ask yourself if it’s smart to have Hugh heading handle with Care.

Why did Hugh leave the President of RSPCA National position so quietly. Think and re read the letter to Peter McGauran. Do you honestly think I would put something up on the net that could leave me open to litigation.

RSPCA Queensland CEO can’t make anybody do anything. He does what he can with his own patch end of story. Btw ALL of this info was sent to your mates. Excuse me then for asking the obvious- what’s really going on with animal welfare in this country.

Lyn White and Mark Pearson would be the best people to head a new board imo.