Yeah, right, PALE. As I said, all talk and no action. I was not speaking for AA, in fact I was referring to a number of contributors to this forum who regret the day they ever contacted PALE (does the Car Park ring any bells?).

The people in the animal advocacy movement with whom I in contact with have never been told by AA, Animal Liberation or anyone else not to have anything to do with PALE. That suggests that it is a conspiracy in your own mind.

As for being "stupid" or a "political joke", given that all the other groups mentioned seem to enjoy considerably more success than PALE, perhaps PALE should have a look at itself and its place in the movement - or rather, its lack of a place, and why that is. Also who in fact is the "political joke".

As I said, abuse and paranoia are not good looks, and are divisive and unhelpful. It is also rather presumptuous of PALE to suggest that it contributed to the success of the others' campaigns, in view of constant claims that they refuse to speak with you.

Your Muslim leaders and your lawyers also remain conspicuous by their absence. Have the former defected to Handle with Care?

I think that this tread has now descended into the usual repeated verbal invective from PALE, and served its purpose only before PALE entered it. Perhaps "retiring from animal welfare" would be the best thing you could do for the animals (after all, and apart from anything else, your stated objective is to slaughter them).

Yabby's strategies are much the same, only this time he has added a further dimension of self-aggrandizement, and further convinced those of us who have some empathy for animals that he is totally without a moral conscience. In fairness to him, however, your "questions" about MLA were too incoherent for anyone to be able to provide answers to. Actually - what WERE the questions? Veiled conspiracy theories that we have heard before and date back years, and not much else.

Nicky

Gawd Nicky, you just can't help yourself, you really can't.

No morals, because I disagree with your fairyfloss, mollycoddled
view of the world? I remind you that your morals are simply
your opinions, which you have been unable to defend, other then
claiming because you believe it to be so.

I'd be just about convinced that you would have been one of those
little girls in kindergarten, who burst into tears at the slightest
thing, when us ruffian boys would play tricks on them. Sorry,
but I don't subscribe to your fairfloss worldview and take no
notice of your warped opinions.

My animals live and experience and enjoy their lives. Just this
afternoon the pups at 7 weeks, followed us up to the sheds. They
got squirted with water, they jumped and rolled in the puddles,
they came home buggered and happy.

Next thing the phone rang, a friend wants puppy no 5, as he'd heard
on the grapevine etc.

My morals are just fine Nicky and they can be justified and reasoned.
If you want to go through life as a nervous nellie, well so be it,
but don't expect the rest of the world to agree with your strange
outlook on life.

Yabby, there is simply no justification for bringing animals into the world to kill them. Whatever species they are. Your puppies may be luckier than some (in particular the 200,000 dogs needlessly destroyed in this country every year), but can you seriously say their mother had/will have a choice about whether she continues breeding with a dog of your choice, then dies prematurely of cancer? How many puppies will die in the course of that? That's natural? Get real.

I happen to think my dogs are exceptional, but I would not be irresponsible enough to breed from them for all those reasons.

Nicky

*there is simply no justification for bringing animals into the world to kill them.*

Rubbish. As it happens, we humans land up eating millions of them.
Some I concede, don't lead happy lives, others lead very happy
lives. I doubt if they give a hoot, what happens to them after death,
for I certainly don't. We'll all be recycled, including you. That
is the reality. Some other species will eat your cadaver Nicky,
get used to it.

*then dies prematurely of cancer?*

Strange that the farm dogs around here are seldom sterilised and
most live to a ripe old age. You seem to be obsessed about your
fear of death.

* How many puppies will die in the course of that? *

Let me see, so far she's had two litters, two puppies have died.
I destroyed them with an axe when they were a couple of days old,
as mommy and pups were stressing due to 8 being too many.

Nicky, feel free to tie your own tubes, the world can only benefit,
but my dogs are doing just fine without your advice, thank you.

Heard it all before Yabby. And what a truly disgusting "human being" you are. You make the rest of us ashamed of being human.

Nicky

(Does the Car Park ring any bells?).

Sure does, it’s where I’d like to meet you sometimes :)
kidding

*The people in ...


Started day one. Was rumoured because we supported RSPCA.

Later we were promoted to – “those Animal Killers”


Hugh addressed this inta fighting at a National Press conference well before we came along.



I didnt come here to beefup. You say we haven’t done enough. You`v no idea what we`ve done.
Our biggest problem is often people from overseas say we will be there in two days- pls arrange accommodation meetings and btw we want to travel to see 3 or 4 plants.

This might be for WA NSW etc… Its IMPOSSIBLE for us to travel in that much time.

We asked others request members to volunteer to help. (You`d know the Answer)

I defend pale and rightfully so. Our team works 7 days unpaid and kicks in from their own pockets. Not 'all' our work is opening abattoirs either.

*As for being "stupid" *….

If you say so Ok. Better at what fund raising?

. *It is also rather presumptuous *…

It’s simply the truth.

*Your Muslim leaders and your lawyers ...
Funny! that’s what they say about you

Have the former defected to Handle with Care?*
In which case someone would require either need to succeed or have deep pockets.


*Perhaps "retiring from animal welfare*
That’s a bit low but let’s analyse what you’re saying.
*your stated objective is to slaughter them).*

No, it`s to phase out live exports.
The only way to do that is to reopen abattoirs.

The difference is we are honest about our intentions.

You’re against animals being slaughtered at all Arnt you?

That’s Ok you can say it. Just be honest about it.

The problem with this type of thinking is that no matter how well intended it’s detrimental to the very animals we are trying to help.

Re MLA what I said was very clear.

#Its those things your people need to learn about to succeed.#