*Yabby has also the singular view that only farmers deal with "adversity"; he has no concept of the wider view,*

Err actually Yabby has a very broad outlook, as he has lived
in various countries, in cities and in the country.

Farming is an extremely tough business. Nicky clearly has never
had her year's pay wiped out by a night of frost, a drought,
a flood, a rust outbreak, a collapse in the market, plus
a long list of other challenges.

If the Govt did not pay you for your years work Nicky, you
might realise how tough farming can be.

What you two have still not digested is that we are looking
at things from very different perspectives. I accept your
emotional engulfment and your maternal instincts, whatever
floats your boats, but I do not accept that you think it is
the only way to live and condem me for not accepting the same.

I suggest that both of you read Darwin's "Origin of Species",
it would enlighten both of you to the realities of this world.

Fact is, far more of any species will be born, then can ever
survive. New life will always be created in far greater numbers
then is sustainable. Resources will limit the number of survivors,
that is nature at its core. I accept death as I accept birth,
as cycles of life, you girls clearly can't deal with it.

That is your problem, not mine.

I agree with Darwin. You girls seem highly hormonal and maternal.
Fair enough, but perhaps you both need to learn tolerance.

Thanks Nicky,

I`m shattered. That sort grief that aches from the inside to the outside if you know what I mean.
Her name was bouncer but a girl. She was a lorikeet. Worse still I am not sure she didn’t smoother. She always slept with me in her pillow case.

Some how a big pillow was on top her. She was old and I am not sure it was that but still the thought of having killed my best friend haunts me. What if.

Bouncer was so smart I never taught her to say one word! She didn`t say anything out of context.

Once when helping a farmer move his draught horses from the drought I drove his car which over with overloaded with hay.

He went ahead with the horses and gear. It was treacherous weather and we were going down a steep windy mountain. As the car slid out of control into a semi he was blowing on his fog horn. In those few moments I thought of my Mum and Dad and then terror as to who would care for my 42 horse’s two donkeys and 3 mules.

The fog horn woke bouncer as she was sleeping on the top of the passages seat.
I looked at her and saw fear in eye little eyes. Then she screamed-
OHSHIT"
Despite the position we were in I couldn’t stop laughing.
That wasn’t something she ever said.

Somehow the truck managed to get off the side.

Everybody knew Bouncer as a person. Holding a service tomorrow. (God cant you just hear Yabby :))

*PALE, I hope things get better for you. A cuddle with a dog always works for me*
I was thinking perhaps of saving a life but I feel disloyal to Bounce.

*You girls seem highly hormonal and maternal.*

You patronising little prick. That would indicate women who do nothing but raise selfish little brats like you. Well you’d be wrong.



You didn’t answer my question. Are farmers under a different code of practise for domestic animals?



Perhaps its under MLA code for farmers- Yes?

PALE, I think the facts are that there is no code of practice for the slaughter of defenceless puppies because God help the farmers if the public found about how widespread and how brutal it could be.

I wish the public had the same compunction about sheep, pigs, cattle, goats, chickens and other animals. Why is it that people will stay in freezing water overnight to try and save a beached whale then go home and eat a cooked roast?

Different perceptions of life and death have nothing to do with it. These people are little better than the thugs currently on trial in Queensland (who are now trying to mount an insanity defence ... I rest my case).

Nicky

*he has lived
in various countries, in cities and in the country.*
Oh, so that`s where you learned your Animal Husbandry skills.



Nicky
I think you would be surprised by how many farmers would walk away from the company of a bloke who chopped the heads off puppies with an axe.

Most will say in their typical few words -"not much."

Just like they say about live exports.

A few weeks ago the property in the bush I went to check on a stock truck. Less less than impressed upon return because the roof still wasn`t` started.

One of the farmer had to go because a calf had cut itself in a fence. We are talking over 200 return trip. So some care.

*I wish the public had the same compunction about sheep, pigs, cattle, goats, chickens and other animals.*

Most do, but they trust the Government are telling the truth that strict codes of animal welfare practises apply and people like you and myself are just trouble makers. - extremist .


If the public were given a video of poultry, intensive pork, feed lots, and most abattoirs they would be totally outraged.

All hell would break loose.

People simply accept animals are treated humanly because the DPI and Government tell them they are.

People are pretty self involved but but if you push the information under their noses THEN they act.

pale,

"People, who know animals will tell you they think, feel in a way that often has a higher understanding than people."

An apt description, for people see what they want to see and often anthropomorphise their animals. It gets a bit fanatical when they actually ascribe ESP or the like to animals. No doubt animals are good listeners, what choice do they have? When you get some feedback, other than appreciation for your presence, how is that higher understanding displayed?
I'm sure it's only a matter of time until we capitalise on the canine grasp of Quantum physics.

"Keep that up you’ll turn me too into a veggie."

pale, if you can't accept dog meat consumption then you really should be a veggie. A dog can be raised and killed as humanely as any other animal. It's elevated senses of smell and hearing may well require additional welfare provision however.
Even though I have no desire to eat dog, I'm in no position to criticise those who wish to. What I can ask is that the dogs, cats or whatever are raised with appropriate welfare standards - which are sadly lacking in many dog eating countries. No animal beit dog, pig or cow should endure a life full of misery.

I think people should respect the animals they eat, and understand why they are eating them. Speciesism notwithstanding. What is food to one may be anothers cherished pet.

If you don't like reopening abattoirs you really are in the wrong industry.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/14/1058034941248.html

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/natint/stories/s1012873.htm

ROJOYABBY
Reopening abattoirs is the only way to control how Animals are treated. Pls remember the project is to also promote HKM Vegetables Cosmetics…

.Long term we believe there will be a greater local and export return for the farmer in Halal vegetable farms than meat as the world develops. Australia’s future will be living on a pack of mixed veggies from China if we can get them otherwise.

Our organisation is involved in far more than animal welfare. We are involved in working to make Australia a free and safe place for everybody and to create a strong work place with good infrastructure which also includes by is not exclusively abattoirs.

We are delighted the QLD head of Nab for example is encouraging investment in our aboriginal and regional areas. This is just one of many projects.
In the thread on Malaysia I noticed there were few comments from those who claim to be informed regarding free trade live exports and other matters.

Let me spell it out for you. We have the opportunity to work united with good Muslim leaders in Australia to fight off the extremists taking control. If we do not stand united with these people who strongly support creating our own Australian Halal label and slaughtering here in Australia we will not win against such threats.

As for your other comments it’s a matter of record animals have long been able to predict such things as weather etc.

The Government simply MUST stop AQIS dishing out Halal Accreditations over the phone. The AWB enquiry showed s all that our Government do NOT have the knowledge most of the time as to whom they are dealing with.
When Rudd was given the information as he was scrambling for something on Downer and Howard he ran and hid instead of informing the public.

'Thank You' once again for your comments on such things as eating dogs.
All your comments will go on posters around the world to highlight
the attitudes those who supporting the barbaric Live Animal Export Trade.

We cant thank You enough.