Pale
Pale will not be responding to post from Nicky at the request from all people we work with.
We are aware of this persons real identity. RSPCA QLD have done a wonderful job with the staff and powers they have. They have spear headed many projects including pale.
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Pale has already stated very clearly for anybody interested they did attend the Gold Coast Meeting.( I am pretty sure nobody gives a toss)

Regarding China we have been supporting a small group who work with dogs and cats. Wish we could do more.
We have also heard two new groups have started up just last week.It was on the news there- think they might be connected to PETA but unsure.

There are two people living in China who are happy to assist anybody with sensible ideas to help Animals.

If anybody wishes to actually do something pls feel free to ask for their email address.
I will be posting less while working on my property.

OLO is only a tiny part of our work and I need time to work on more important things for animals.

Nobody will debate animal welfare in a sensibly manner here anyway.

Yabby has told it like it is.

You all need to do something other than bitch about the only group in 30 years that even tried.

30 years yet nobody was doing anything about live exports- Until pale started! Thats a fact and you dare have a go at pale

You need to ask Glenyse why she told us she didnt touch live exports because it was too political 6 years ago! or was it 7 Glenyse.?

Well guess what? Thats why we opended pale!

I do not have time for anybody with a political agenda- be that Hugh or anybody else.
All that matters to us is the animals. Calling China names will help ~I dont think~ and RSPCA `are` the ones to help animals in China.

Funny how you all rubbish Dr Wirthless but praise WSPA.?

Hugh with is the President of WSPA BTW.
`Speaking of politics.`

Carry on...

Obviously PALE's multiple personalities have all got together in their own little mind and decided not to respond to anything I challenge it/them with, hsving determined that I am some mystical being with whom they have had some past difference of opinion.

As fr Yabby, he tells it like it is only from the farmer's perspective - and the worst of the farmers at that.

For those interested, PF left an excellent comment on the other thread "A Royal Commission into Farmers' Practices..." about the conference on the Gold Coast.

As for TWO people in China being available to help with "sensible" projects - all I can say is are you not aware of the population of China, and the entrenched nature of the culture culture of cruelty? Geography and demography are clearly not PALE's strong points.

As for being the only group to be doing anything about live exports, one only has to read the histories of the other groups. I am not in contact with Glenys Oogjes, and I had nothing to do with Wirthless being in the position he is (other than knowing that it is a rotating position and not one based on merit).

As for what is admissible evidence, every animal advocate knows what is admissible and what is not. The point is that, in the experience of a number of us, the RSPCA (in various states) has been given evidence that would form the basis of a complaint, in the expectation that the RSPCA would then acquire admissible evidence, There has then either been a "tip-off" of an imminent RSPCA inspection and/or the operation concerned has been given ample time to "clean up its act".

THAT is what we all object to. What happened about the chickens?

Nicky

"Hugh with is the President of WSPA BTW. `Speaking of politics.`"

"Speaking of politics" PALE, Hugh Wirth is NOT President of the WSPA, btw.

*and the worst of the farmers at that.*

Hehe, those poor sheep lol. Grazing contentedly in the sunshine,
chewing the cud or chomping on another mouthful of tasty pasture,
or rearing their young, or the young playing little games with
one another, running around the dams. This is shocking, evil stuff :)

You still don't get it Nicky. There is global demand for meat, WA
farmers produce livestock to meet that demand and do a great job
at it. If you have a problem with the live trade, you or anyone
else are free to buy those sheep, they are for sale, and process them
here, to deal with your concerns.

If you have no interest in that, well then tough titties, they
will go to those people who buy them. My sheep on my farm have
happy lives. That matters to me.

It is pointless going down the same old path with Yabby time and time again on every thread he corrupts with total irrelevance - so I won't.

So back to the despicable Chinese ..

Undercover investigators from Swiss Animal Protection/EAST International recently toured fur farms in China's Hebei Province, and it quickly became clear why outsiders are banned from visiting. There are no regulations governing fur farms in China—farmers can house and slaughter animals however they see fit—meaning miserable lives and excruciating deaths. The investigators found horrors beyond their worst imaginings and concluded, "Conditions on Chinese fur farms make a mockery of the most elementary animal welfare standards. In their lives and their unspeakable deaths, these animals have been denied even the simplest acts of kindness."

Living Hell
On these farms, foxes, minks, rabbits, and other animals pace and shiver in outdoor wire cages, exposed to driving rain, freezing nights, and, at other times, scorching sun. Mother animals, who are driven crazy from rough handling and intense confinement and have nowhere to hide while giving birth, often kill their babies after delivering litters. Disease and injuries are widespread, and animals suffering from anxiety-induced psychosis chew on their own limbs and throw themselves repeatedly against the cage bars.

And here is another petition.

http://www.gopetition.com.au/petitions/stop-fur-farming.html

Nicky

Nicky: << So back to the despicable Chinese .. >>

I can't think of a context in which this wouldn't be considered to be a racist expression.

Hmmm... this seems to be another thing that our most vocal animal rights activists have in common. Interesting.