I think we can all rest our case about Yabby, since he finds this topic one of great amusement. His naivete is simply extraordinary.

Nicky

Fractelle did the most sensible thing in the beginning of this thread. She put up this link for people to read.+

http://www.rspca.org.uk/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RSPCA/RSPCARedirect&pg=fur&marker=1&articleId=1169629019054


I have seen her posts on animal welfare many times and may I suggest this.

Perhaps you could write to Dr Wirth and suggest the RSPCA Branch in China.
We could ask our RSPCA QLD CEO but honestly he’s so busy.
I prefer not to approach Hugh myself.

Please do not think I am giving you instructions because that’s not the way in which I mean it.
You seem to be a little better at keeping a cool head and that’s important.
One of RSPCA problems (their biggest) is having the right people to support their programs.


Possibly you might offer to help out there too. Again I have no way of knowing how much time you have on your hands.


RSPCA QLD has done a lot of work with Sea world which is out of our area. We just know our CEO despite the high profile of Sea world stepped in over some sharks once.

Despite this he remained on very good terms also have done fantastic work educating.

On one occasion I think six or eight heads visited and stayed for many weeks learning more about proper care.

We do not have any involvement other than live exports

(Not even intensive farming)

So this is just other things that I know about + Some ideas on how to assist China`s` animals.

Yabby is correct about more women being involved in Animal welfare.
I put that down to many things. I would also encourage everybody to take in what he says about Government red tape on issues other than fur in China.
Like it or not he’s correct and it is this we must address. The bush has lost its power with Government so farmers need city support- desperately along with unity and alternatives. 50% are gone already

"Creating more RSPCAs in China
itself, makes far more sense." (Yabby - endorsed by PALE)

Dream on you pair. Whilst the RSPCA's "good" works deserve some accolades, Australia has seen an alarming increase in animal cruelty and why not when the foxes are put in charge of the chickens?

Information gleaned from this thread, on China's heinous treatment of animals, has certainly influenced me to cease purchasing anything that's "Made in China" wherever possible. It is to our shame that the West's sycophantic governments remain mute over these atrocities whilst exporting their animals to China and potentially, into the hands of these depraved monsters.

Yabby, Why not remove the dollar signs from your peepers and cease viewing these barbarians as cash cows? Australia's canines are not yet included in live exports to China though no doubt you're working on that too, eh cowboy?

Warning: The following video is not for the faint-hearted but then the faint-hearted (in denial) should take some responsibility for today's atrocities - should they not?:

http://www.peta2.com/takecharge/t-chinafur.asp

This additional petition for posters' perusal, will be presented to President HU Jintao at the end of 2008:

http://www.onevoice-ear.org/english/campaigns/china/dog_report.html

*has certainly influenced me to cease purchasing anything that's "Made in China" wherever possible.*

Ooh Dickie, the fact that those few $ of your pension will now
not be spent on Chinese goods, is bound to send their economy into
a tailspin now :) A feelgood exercise if I ever heard one!

When it comes to China, I have psychologists blinkers in my eyes,
not $. If you want to bring about change, use your intellect,
not your melodrama. Standover tactics don't work, as George Bush
and Co have found out the hard way.

If those claiming to care about animal welfare want to be taken
seriously, they will need to start employing qualified people, to
pass intelligent comments, not cause marketing specialists and
websites full of feelgood propaganda. Every species is different
and to throw them all in the one pot, as you girls do, is extremely
bad science!

The RSPCA are about the only ones that I 've seen, who employ people
with some relevant skills. The rest seem to be littered with feelgood
animal rights campaigners, with huge bleeding hearts but little
understanding of the species which they are commenting about.
So why should industry people take them seriously? That is
exactly why I find the NicknDick posts so amusing

The RSPCA has, of course, been such an outstanding success at preventing animal cruelty in Australia, of course, as we keep seeing.

Beating to death, skinning alive, and being thrown live to predators who have lost the ability to kill cleanly would be horrific whatever the species, Yabby, but I'm pleased to see you find it amusing.

Nicky

Dickie, thanks for those links (as horrific as they were). And don't you believe it about dogs not being exported live to Asia. It is the fate of many "failed" greyhounds to be exported to Korea and Macau (along with racehorses). One can only imagine what happens to them.

Many other "failed" greyhounds finish up in experimentation laboratories.

Nicky