Like the saying goes, "never let the facts interfere with a good
story". How true that is on this thread lol.

One of the great things about science, is it helps us to understand
human behaviour a little bit better. On the news tonight, mri
brain scans of anorexics, how they virtually shut down parts of their
brains to deny the reality of their condition. Or a great story
on SBS about identical twins and how much of human behaviour is
in fact genetic, forget all the freewill and rational stuff.
Religiosity was shown to have huge genetic input for instance,
as most other human behaviour.

This debate has been a classic in highlighting these very points!
Forget the rational and up to date evidence, the focus has been
on ad hominems, emotional obsessions, emotional engulfment and
much more, that is why its been quite amusing really.

Its ok, we understand that the obsessed just can't help themselves
and let rational data interfere with a good story! So its
not your fault girls, as the evidence shows :)

Wendy ,

Thank you for your reply and I think at last Im starting to see a glimmer of light here...

Scout talks of a more systematic approach more a one on one thing whereby consumers pester shops/retailers about free range and question how and where our produce(meat and poultry,fish) is being produced..this would be slow but at a realistic level just may be enough to change the status quo at some point in the future.
I see that the boycott meat idea was not a goer because it would be too ambitous and not based in reality that enough pple would even contemplate rejecting meat.

For some reason its taken me awhile to catch on...I glaze over at too much rhetoric, but better late than never.

I still think theres room for shock tactic type labels attatched to meat packets and produce depicting graphic images of inhumane slaughtering practice would be entirely effective.

Yabby..I like you matey and you put forth some good arguements for us mere females...yes i do love yabbies and i will let you enlighten me on that subject.

2006-08-19 Lauren United Kingdom For the above reasons I choose to sign the petition against this cruelty. From my point of view local slaughter houses would be at least something, though the locals who complain about such an idea, usually eat Sunday roast!

2006-08-19 Karan Prakash Canada despicable, the people who pepretrate this will get theirs.




2006-08-14 Linda Larsen USA If we are to kill animals for food, let us all do this act with as much kindness to animals as possible. That is the bottom line, period

2006-08-13 Kym Cherie Lawrence Australia Australia the Lucky Country! lets keep it lucky! lets treat our livestock with the respect they deserve and stop the export of live export stop the cruelty to farmed livestock and chickens.

2006-08-13 Bronwyn McIntyre Australia Is money really that important that these people abandon all morals and wield human power in the most inhumane way? No animal deserves the cruel pain and suffering that these animals are subjected to. I am ashamed to be a member of the human species in the company of such people.

2006-08-12 Madhu Ahuja India Animals should not be treated badly because they are living beings just like us.

2006-08-11 beth ferguson united staes I believe that No animal should have to suffer for the sake, and greediness of humans This cruelty must stop

2006-08-02 Melissa Rutt Australia There is no need to put our livestock through so much trauma. Say NO to live export.

2006-08-02 nicole smith australia act now for the suffering of these poor animals. and help be there voice


2006-07-24 taylor Australia I think that it is really wrong to do that to animals they should be treated just as well as humans.

2006-07-22 Cassie Parker Australia I have seen first hand the conditions these animals face during transportation and it is completely unacceptable. These animals go through a heartbreaking amount of pain and suffering during transport, only to be slaughtered upon reaching their destination.

2006-07-13 Melissa Lastelle Australia this is extreme cruelty

2006-07-13 Misty Kelly Australia There is simply no need for this cruelt

2006-07-10 Sarah Australia Stop exporting our stock n leave it for us. our own people and country before any other.
2006-07-06 Claire Powlesland Australia Live exports need to be stopped immediately.

2006-07-03 Hannah slaski USA I think it is horrible they are letting people transport live animals in planes and boats and stuff. but mostly planes because, they are transported in bad, dirty, sick places. and many animals every year die or are killed

2006-07-02 Charmaine Cayuex Western Australia Disgusting , utterly appalling. The lack of consideration to animal welfare makes me feel ashamed to be human.

2006-07-01 Sue Australia Live exporting of animals is a disgusting example of cruelty to animals

2006-07-01 Tomika Steele Australia The exporting of live animals is vile, inhumane and MUST STOP

2006-06-26 Roz Bergman Australia Ban live exports - cruel and unnecessary. Time people thought about animals more.

2006-06-25 HASANI MANAGEMENT SDN.BHD MALAYSIA


2006-06-21 Brogan Lewis Australia Stop this ammediately, what are you trying to prove?

2006-06-21 Belinda Hein Australia I am fed up with the inhumane and disrespecful way in which we allow middle eastern and asian countries to treat animals - we must stop live export of animals to these countries.

2006-06-19 Amanda Shepherd Australia STOP CRUELTY TO ANIMALS

2006-06-18 Martha French U.S. This problem needs to be taken care of in Australia,But the United States can help by not accepting any live animals for slaughter.

2006-06-16 wouter greevink netherlands look at peta2.com please theyre against animal abuse the people who do that are sick really sick

2006-06-14 hany egypt hello and want to be sign on

2006-06-14 Adriana Challoner Australia It is terrible that things such as this can still be happening. Animals rely on us to be treated well - they are innocent and deserve respect - no living creature should be treated cruely. Please stop these awful acts from continuing.

2006-06-13 robyn chapman australia There is absolutely no reason to continue this dreadful activity. Australia is meant to be an educated and civilised country and should be judged on how its animals are treated. Please STOP live animal exports

Ozgirl, why thank you :) Feel free to email me on bonobo@westnet.com.au and I will answer any of your questions.

Wendy, millions of people used to think that the world was
flat, based on flawed information. That does not mean that
they were correct however!

If you are promoting flawed and out of date information on
the internet, thats your problem. History is what used to
be, not what is today. Get over it lol.

You are right ozgirl - if we all just started the same exercise as scout and went into different shops each week and enquired about free range, it would not take long to get the idea thru to retailers. I see it from the other side - I am selling free range and get told "Ive never been asked for it" so many times. My target is butchers, so I mail brochures, call in and ask for free range (whenever I am out of town, especially visiting in the city) There is another side however, and it is a part of the reason some butchers are reluctant to start selling free range - continuity of supply. There just arent enough free range farmers around. The ones that do exist are small family farms (usually) Many do not have the marketing skills to push their product or the capital needed to advertise it. They are really on their own and I know from experience that some produce from some great farms ends up mainstream and no one knows. Yes, thats how we would like it to be in the future, all meat produced free range, but my point is the farmers that are trying need help. If they are shown publicly to be successful, then other farmers will follow. I know Wendy is working on this idea too. I have started www.freerangepork.com.au to help. My butcher shop enquiries come from the net, so they are out there looking.

While Im here, just briefly, my vision for pig farming is, get rid of these 10,000 sow farms run by the likes of Nipon Meats, Amanda Vanstone etc. Let the small family farm run their 100 sows and make a living. Form cooperatives in local area so they still have the numbers to have a voice.