True, that nobody has the right to control other countries. We can’t. But we do have a right to make sure that our live stock isn’t going to countries that use barbaric and illegal slaughtering procedures and methods.

Same with homosexual refugees- Australia sometimes still deports homosexual refugees to countries where they execute homosexuals merely because of their sexuality- but we shouldn’t, even though there is a chance that they get some abuse in Australia too. We’re not controlling these countries but we can protect homosexuals who are in Australia by not sending them somewhere where we know conditions are far much worse than in Australia.

Back to animals again: Same with our animals- we should be protecting them from these cruelties and at the same time aim to improve on animal welfare in Australia. Two wrongs do not make one right.

Celivia Scout Alfafemale Yabby.
A MESSAGE TO FARMERS
To: "Wendy Lewthwaite" <info@halakindmeats.com>
Subject: BUY Inquiry

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we are also imported meat (chiller or frozen) specially from sudan, india,
> pakistan, newzlanda, australia,brazil,argentine..etc
>> that i wanna to be a supplier of your company in egypt of beef &buffalo
> meat
>> that i want to import it from your farmers as co joint partners
>>
> ex.100 ton{4000*25kg}
>> that i wanna to know the offer of your company and the

To: Halalkindmeats
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: india agreement Dr Nandi.doc

Dear Madam,

We are a business house and not solely thinking for animalwellfare but we are trying to develop the animal farming process and farming technology with our business as a back yeard linkage programme.

Therefore by seeing your advertisement in the web we e-mail to you.

Now, we can assertain you that we will not for export live animal and use humanne method of slaughter.

In this circumstances we asked you for marketing our product abroad as a agent agaist which you will be paid for, if your demand matches with us.

In this context please clearly mention your specifications and farms abattoirs etc. Please make enqueries if you are not understanding our matter and discuss on the valuable points only.

With Best Regards
Dr. Nandi

Subject: meat business

.We are going to establish a world class slaughter-house for goat .

Now we are seeking for a reliable and trusted Joint Venture parter as well as Marketing partner of our products i.e. frozen meats world wide.

If you are interested for the same, please give us your best opinion about the matter concern as early as possible.

Best regards
GROUP
"Express Tower",7th Floor

We are interested in your cojoint farm and abattoir propsal.Subject - WANTED : Beef & chicken
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i look forward for your reply.
best regards
El bedoui Tarek

August 29, 2006 10:18 AM
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Subject - WANTED : Canned corned beef
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We looking for Canned corned beef to supply M.East Area.

Regard

WE INTEND TO LIST OFFERS FROM OVERSEAS TO ASSIUE FARMERS. WE SUPPLY CONTACTS AND ASSISTANCE FREE OF CHARGE.
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We are very interested to establish Farms with farmers for your free range plants and abattoirs i would like to give us a price for:

* Beef packed in 15 kg packs, Now he is buying 1150 $ from India.
Please check . 40 containers first order and then 20 containers per month.
* Eggs. 55 grams/ 5 v 10 containers per month
* chicen leg 2800mt
chicken wings 200mt
pls quat us your best price in order to we can establish a long term
successful and profitable business together.
i look forward for your reply.
best regards

Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:01 PM
Subject: Halal Camel Meat

Hi, Wendy.

This is the guy called you about the Halal Camel Meat. My name is Abdisalan Hersi.

Following our conversation over the phone, I am sending you this email so that you communicate with me in the future.

Thank you.

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Hersi

Subject: Fw: urgent quotaion on live sheep and others -> from Akhouk Almukhlis

Subject: Re: urgent quotaion on live sheep and others

Sorry to disturb you late night..bcs.matter of time miscalculation , we are hee still evening time at 5.00 pm.
Any way , i wait your effort and i am sure you are very honest..and i will do every effort to meet your expectation..
*Live sheeps one thousand and above..
*the most urgent is ( full cream powdered milk) at the said specification..
*pardon me Wendy, for making you more panic to meet my request..do it at your ease and the best is to secure all needs..
*Others , i talked to ibrahim about the petrol , and i do not know whether you ahve contacat or freinds..Besides , other medical supplies: disposable syringes and versa.
*No problem , just let ur friend sms me to get in track..
stay well and have a nice time..
Sincerely , Mohd..
[ This is a good example of how we can divert live to co joint ventures by talking.

Have ready yabby's comments on not enough abattoirs to slaughter in W.A, The simple answer as Yabby pointd out is for the Government to support this co joint venture with australian farmers as people overseas wishing to purchase meat.

Mark Vaile job however happy to assist the farmers.

I too call upon the churches to life their game.!

MORE CONTACTS FOR FARMERS AND JOBS FOR AUSTRALIA>

We are most interested in your proposal of co joint farms
>> >> We need big quantities such as 20,000kilos of each but we would accept a
> lorry of mixed frozen meat too.
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>> Contact Person : Cristina
Dear windy..
How are you..i am really pleased that youare in touch with my brother..
There is a high demand for competive price and Muslim people facing Ramadhan very soon.
So please urgently supply me with the follwoing:
(A)
1) The price of sheep per head at amount of one thousand above...From the fram passing taxes , medical approval and others up to shipment board

2) The possiblity of providing that amount monthly or weekly or in what range..

3)The famous malaysian companies who arrange this work there in Australia and in what exact price up to this date in order to compare that with our maket survey result

(B)
What about ful cream powder? we need to have it at size of 25 KG.per packs? not in tins? the need is about 40 tonns..the buyers are secure and governmental..So how much will be the cost from Ausrralia to malaysia...to middle east? make up all that cost : up to cargo loading? and what if we want to design certain design , how much is the cost per whole pack..we will send you the designed packs? It is rather urgent..

listen: this does not mean that i abandone your suggestion of sending slaghtered halal meat , but inorder to build up connection firstly , we have to accept firstly our customer demand then gradually we can convince them further..

I wish you luck with me and no problem at all..Do ACT NOW
Mohd.Hassa

Thanks to all who have contributed to this topic so far.

Everyone has made valid points.

I started this forum as it has less limitations and, therefore more scope for an exchange of views and information.

Now I have identified the following issues (anyone is welcome to add more):

Lack of clear national policy on the treatment, raising, shipping and farming of animals.

a) Guidelines on feed, antibiotics and shelter/range.

Lack of abattoirs.

Lack of employees.

I suggest a two-pronged approach towards the reduction and eventual elimination of long haul transport of livestock.

1. National policy implemented for transport – space, heating/cooling, duration of journey, feed & cleaning.

2. Campaign across all political parties – no matter how small. Alerting them to the duress suffered by animals and lack of control over slaughter methods at destination. (Please note I am not interested in an argument of implied racism, some countries have humane slaughter methods and some don’t – it is that simple).

Nor am I interested in negatives; I believe we can improve on conditions for livestock. We cannot, as Yabby frequently points out, stop indiscriminate slaughter or inhumane conditions immediately. We can do it in stages. Posters to this forum have already detailed what they are doing at a local level – word needs to get out.

There is a high interest in healthy organic food production in Europe – Australia can develop the image of the clean, healthy and humane alternative. We can’t start with the mega producers but we can unite the smaller ones and assist with finding niche markets for their produce.

This is all just off the top of my head. I know zero about livestock production. But I do have some ideas and I want to learn. Who can help me?

I was WA Wheatbelt manager for an insurance company in the 1970s. My clients were mainly farmers and workers/owners/managers in associated industries. I used to call on existing clients and other prospects on a 'just turn up' basis and rarely by appointment.

I don't recall seeing any blatant or unnecessary cruelty. On the other hand I was often impressed by the caring natures of farmers, their wives and families and others including the workers in the many small abattoirs which were spread through the Wheatbelt in those days.

These abattoirs were helping to provide employment in country towns, helped to keep the towns viable and helped to prevent the drift of young people to the cities. Everyone benefited. The schools had children to teach. The local businesses had customers. Professional people like the doctor had an adequate client base. The sports clubs had members for sports and social occasions. The hotels benefited from agents staying there to service local businesses. There were other factors of course, but the abattoirs were part of the chain.

I think this was before the universal use of stun guns. I recall being in the Merredin abattoir and seeing a line of sheep being slaughtered. They just stepped forward, one at a time, and had their throats cut. The sheep were emotionless and certainly not scared. Although it sounds quite shocking, I realised that they were dying much easier deaths than many of us will have.

On the other hand, some cattle waiting outside were treated much differently. It was understood that they were different to the sheep and would sense danger, death or whatever. One of the workers would go outside and talk to the animal, calm it down and only lead it in when it was in a peaceful frame of mind. He certainly had an amazing knack of doing this. He came through to me as genuinely kind hearted towards the animals and I felt it was quite likely that he could not have done this job so successfully if this had not been so. Stun guns were used on the cattle.