* Perhaps we may be able to follow up wool boycotts with boycotts of Australian meat, and who knows where we can go from there?*

ROFL, that would mean even more live sheep ships to take the lot
to the ME :) You are not the smartest bit of gear dear.

West Australian farmers have very little lobbying ability. Last
time I checked, the WAFF were not even members of NFF, as they
could not afford the bill. State wise, they have no lobbying ability,
as the Govt is controlled by city votes, so the rural vote has
no significance.

I've told you before, farmers coops don't work, as farmers are
isolated individuals on their farms, so managers do as they please.

The thing is, farmers are primary producers. We don't bake your
bread of make your breakfast cereal. We provide the ingredients.
Secondary manufacture happens in cities. City people make the
rules, not farmers.

If you city slickers have so little ability, that you cannot
move primary products from the farm gate to world markets, with
any kind of efficiency, we have little option but to do it without
you, thus the live trade.

As to the Catholic Church, you missed the point. Same philosophy
on your part, different species, that is all. Just as fanatical it
seems

Yabby, you are incredibly short sighted. Fuel costs are going to spell the end of the crappy old ships you use (and we see no progress on Siba Ships bright shiny new ones since 2005 - not that their track record is anything to be proud of with the ships they have had here).

Why should anyone else have to organize your transport for you? No other industry expects or gets the largesse that the primary industry sector gets, or brings the country into such disrepute as you do.

But I'm sure we can organize boycotts that will accommodate you better if we put our minds to it. Being shown internationally as being right up there amongst the world's most cruel countries internationally is bound to take its toll if we keep at it.

The farming lobby groups appear to be unable to even organize themselves as a rational, coherent body, it seems.

Nicky

Nicky, you don't need to organise any transport. The live shippers
are doing it all. Those two ships are being built, as I explained
before. You don't buy specially built ships off the shelf, in the
middle of a world shipping shortage. I was talking to a Wellard
rep just the other day. There is actually some web stuff all about
them somewhere.

As to your claimed largesse, I think you are confusing WA and the
Eastern States. What largesse comes to Western Australia? WA
is largely seen as a cash cow by the East, to be milked for every
Dollar. We generate about half the country's exports, with just
10% of the population. We think globally, unlike you lot, who
clearly cannot compete globally. WA farming remains the most
efficient in Australia.

Boycott whatever you like, somehow I don't think that Arabs will
take much notice of you :) The EU is free to open its markets to
our meat, something that is largely denied right now. So we send
even more to the ME.

You are quite correct, the farming lobby is not very effective,
that is why WA farmers get such a raw deal. Cities and their
voters come first, WA farmers are right at the bottom of the pile.

Well, they certainly don't take any notice of the animal welfare standards of the International Organization for Animal Health in the Middle East, do they?

And I take it that it is your own estimation that you are efficient.

Spare us the histrionics about how badly off WA farmers are too, we've heard it all before.

Nicky

*And I take it that it is your own estimation that you are efficient.*

Actually not so. Over the years there have been various studies
quoted in the media. Even Tony Burke was surprised and dropped
his jaw, when he came over. WA farms are much larger then in the
East, with 500+ hp tractors, the most advanced no-till gear in Australia
and are pioneers of much new technology.

Now if you'd like to tell me about all this money that is given
to WA farmers, I would love to know about it.

* we've heard it all before.*

You clearly don't have the foggiest about WA farming, you live
thousands of km from here. If it was up to me, we would have
seceded long ago. Thank your lucky stars that we generate so much
export wealth for you, for clearly you do not have the ability to
do it yourselves.

But hey, keep on your present little fanatical path. Its got you
nowhere in 25 years or so, I can't see that changing. Look around
you, nobody is taking any notice. People understand what a bunch
of fanatics we farmers are dealing with on this issue.

Despite me having absolutaly no confidence in Gertude achieving
anything, at least she undestands the solution, which you lot
clearly don't. Bankrupting thousands of farmers is simply not
going to happen. Think again.

Yabby
A message from Gertrude for you- She said thanks for the vote of confidence:) and also to tell you its a bit hard when you have a mob with the mentality of Nicky about.

There 'has been' some changes in QLD= other states./. Several have chilled in place of live.

This libber lot could have helped to divert live to chilled but as you see what they are like.

Also that fyi FF and PA have had many direct enquiries from overseas buyers wanting to look at opening abattoirs.

Gertrude cant post at the moment. GY didnt like her comment on forum owners.

I can say personally you are so right about the liberation lot.

This thread is only a small example of what they are like.



People like Nicky follow like sheep with no idea of the industry. I loved this comment

@(Yabby, as I have pointed out before - don't bitch about it, do something about it.@?

Note Yabby how the only lot run by Gertrude has been treated. What a joke she says do something about it!

Its interesting that Nicky still prefers to hide behind a false name while myself Antje Struthmann and RSPCA QLD along with Gertrude are happy to be open and upfront.
Oh No Of course Nickys not speaking on behalf of the others. Of Course Ha!

Not one thought of her own on this forum in over two years.

Then she goes on with this-

(I don't care why the live trade exists ...

Yabby I cant understand how people can be so stupid. Of course we need to understand why the live trade exists !
In order to fix anything you must fully understand the reason for it in the first place.
No wonder why the Government dont take them seriously.

What terribly damage these people do towards Animal Welfare to make such irresponsible statements