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Always The Victim.

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Israel is such a small area - we have cattle stations larger.

According to archaeological records, writings (and the developing Hebrew script), Jews have been in the area for 5000 years. They are the indigenous peoples.

Ramesses II mentions Israel on his famous Victory Stella with a determinative sign as a people or ethnic group.

First there were the Jews, then the Christians (Jesus was a Jew) 2024 years ago, then the Muslims (the last kid on the block) only 1400 years ago.
Posted by WhiteMouse, Friday, 5 January 2024 4:51:31 PM
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Muslims don't believe in a convert, but a revert. They believe everyone is actually born Islamic. By a few short words a revert becomes a full Muslim. This doesn't have to be witnessed, so anyone can become Islamic. In the privacy if one's own home.

So many have 'reverted" back to Islam at the end of a sword - an offer that cant be refused.

This mindset appears among certain Muslims in this country. The only terrorist threats have been Islamic.
Posted by WhiteMouse, Friday, 5 January 2024 5:09:41 PM
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"According to archaeological records, writings (and the developing Hebrew script), Jews have been in the area for 5000 years. They are the indigenous peoples."

That may be, but when they decided to resettle the place 600,000 Muslims now lived there.

A land without a people for a people without a land
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_land_without_a_people_for_a_people_without_a_land

That land actually already had people living there though now.
So the Israelis ran them off and killed them and 'declared it' Israel.
True story.

And that was after they fought alongside the Anzacs
after we promised them self determination,
if they rose up against the Ottomans.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 5 January 2024 5:14:59 PM
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Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East.

Of its population, 21% are Arab Muslims. 70% of whom feel very much part of Israel and would never leave.

As all Israelis they have the right to vote. Have served in the Knesset, currently Arab Parties hold ten seats in the Knesset ... in the past have held fifteen seats. They have sat on the Supreme Court, worked in the Foreign Service, served as Ambassadors, Mayors, Judges. Held many Civil Service positions. Many are medical professions, and have hold directorship of hospitals.

(Council of Foreign Relations)

As an Australian, I feel guilty and ashamed. Not all our own people have such respect and opportunities.
Posted by WhiteMouse, Friday, 5 January 2024 5:55:48 PM
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As a gentle hint.

I would suggest that if one is citing/referencing from a media outlet or from other information sources, they do a fact check as to the veracity of their source.

Aljazeera is a propaganda outlet and untrustworthy. It posted a picture of supposedly dead Palestinians wrapped in sheets after October 2023. The picture originally was dated 2013 organised by Muslim Brotherhood students at the Al-Azhar University, Cairo and appeared on a youtube. channel.
Posted by WhiteMouse, Friday, 5 January 2024 6:05:48 PM
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Dear WhiteMouse,

«According to archaeological records, writings (and the developing Hebrew script), Jews have been in the area for 5000 years. They are the indigenous peoples.»

Ethnically speaking, yes, some of those who lived in the area 5000 years ago still (and/or again) live there now. These include some of the Jews and some of those calling themselves "Palestinians" who descend from the same tribe of Judea.

Religiously speaking, the first shoots of Judaism as a religion, or rather the first mention of the Jewish god, started only around 600 B.C, that is some 2600 years ago, and that god did not even resemble the present Jewish god - for example he had a wife. Judaism as we understand it today is a late product of the 12th century, even later than Christianity and Islam.

Ramesses II may have mentioned "Israel", but even if he did, according to archaeological research, the ancient Kingdoms of Israel and Judea were distinct and unrelated, they had no ethnic connection even.

Be careful of the Biblical stories - many of their claims were retrospectively faked (due to political rivalry between two clans of priests).

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Dear Critic,

«So the Israelis ran them off and killed them and 'declared it' Israel.
True story.»

False story.

The Zionists-turned-Israelis were happy to have their country only on the tiny areas which they purchased as their land, should the native residents refuse their offer to join their new state as equals (which they did). Had the natives not brutally attacked them, they were happy to leave them alone and be left alone on their tiny patch.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 5 January 2024 6:31:47 PM
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