Indyvidual

Yes, wars have to be fought. Just imagine what the world would have been like if the Nazis were allowed to take it over without a fight.
WW11 was essential.

Currently, Israel must fight a war to survive; it has in the past, and it will in the future, because Islam will always be a threat.

There will always be wars, no matter how horrible and brutal they are.

I wonder what the attitude of the Israel/Jewish critics would be if Israel was not Jewish, but secular, populated by democratic Westerners, besieged by Muslims for around 70 years, regularly attacked with rockets, then subjected to the horrors of October 7th.

Well that's the problem isn't it ttbn.
Israels problems stem from it's existence as a racist apartheid state.
'besieged by Muslims for around 70 years'
That's curious, isn't that almost the exact amount of time since it's founding?

Are we allowed to have a racist aparteid state and kick all the people we don't like out? No.
Israel's a democracy they say, we're a democracy
- But we're not the same.

We don't shoot the indigenous for sport, and we don't have policies designed to wipe them out.
Go cheer on some more dead women and kids.

Israel is a democratic state surrounded by autocratic racist apartheid states.

Every Arab nation has ethnically cleansed most if not all its Jews and most of its Christians and persecuted anyone that is not Muslim.

SM

Right. But we can't expect the morons who have swallowed the lie that Israel is a 'racist apartheid state' to get it. They never reached the homo erectus stage of development.

For me at least the time has come to leave this
conversation. I can see that nothing productive
is being achieved here and I have no wish to
take part in the unfortunate abuse that's coming
from some.

Most rational people want to see an end to the
conflict in the Middle-East. But as we can see
from even this attempted conversation -
it probably will not
be happening any time soon unless everyone says -
"Enough!"

Finger-pointing and taking sides only incites
exclusion and decreases the chances of
the required coming together and seeing the humanity
in each other. It reduces the opportunities for
people being able to live in peace
side by side with equal rights, respect, and dignity.

For that to happen - people on both sides need to take
a stand. Demand new leadership - and say - "Not in my name
you don't!"

See you on another discussion