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Always The Victim.
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Posted by Indyvidual, Sunday, 31 December 2023 7:52:35 AM
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Dear Foxy,
«Surely this can't be a healthy state of mind?» Spot on. Feeling a "victim" is an unhealthy state of mind because it is living a lie. Nobody can ever be a victim. Nobody can ever victimise others. We all only receive the results of our previous actions, nothing less, nothing more. Blaming others for what we deserved only serves in closing our eyes to our responsibility for our present and future actions. Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 31 December 2023 8:10:09 AM
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Thank You for all your comments.
I'm trying to make sense of it all so that I can better understand things. I used to see Jewish history as "all darkness and no light." With the collapse of communism in Eastern Europe and the USSR - the suppression of Jewish religious practice and cultural expression came to an end. More than 2 million Jews were finally free to choose to be Jewish or not. An astonishing number chose Jewishness and a remarkable revival of Jewish life began. Many decades on that revival continues but the world's response to Israel's war on Gaza and the rise in antiSemitic incidents in a number of countries since the war began has led many to paint a very dark picture of the current Jewish predicament - making one wonder - is the paranoia justified? Large group identity becomes stronger upon perceived attacks or threats and these perceived attacks generate collective victimhood. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 31 December 2023 8:38:59 AM
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Regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict -
overcoming the narrative of victimhood and decreasing the level of self-righteousness which both sides embrace is a pre-requisite for making some of the tough compromises involved in reaching a workable solution to this long lasting, drawn out conflict. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 31 December 2023 9:36:14 AM
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"Anti-Semitism is as strong now as it ever was."
- Perhaps not strong enough. I was just watching a video showing how Israel has been robbing the corpses of killed Palestinians for organ harvesting. Max Blumenthal: (TheGrayZone) - What the IDF Did on Christmas http://www.youtube.com/live/zYlAYU4r66c Last night I watched a video about South Africa taking Israel to the ICJ for genocide, not that anything will come of it because of a US veto. Genocide Case SUBMITTED to International Court Of Justice!! http://youtu.be/JyrfqlxRaFo The US themselves are helping facilitate this genocide with weapons they provide. (OMG, someone dare tell the truth) You can all continue with your Anti-Semitic accusations / brainfarts, trying to whitewash Israels crimes against humanity. I didn't criticise or persecute Jews for centuries, I'm not responsible for anything that ever happened to them. Take yer 'Anti-Semite' and shove it, it's not even a proper word that means anything. But I will criticise what they do just the same as I would if anyone else was doing it. And I don't care what the many grovelling lapdogs here say about it. Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 31 December 2023 9:43:52 AM
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"The problem is not that the Israelis are victims of Hamas atrocities, it is because they have taken action to stop this from happening again and the Gazan militants who committed these atrocities are now hiding behind women and children and claiming to be victimised."
Such weak arguments. Lets say the Palestinians are completely guilty of using human shields (Forget the inconvenient truth in your argument that you are accusing them of being human shields but they are in their own homes, or seeking medical assistance in local hospitals... and Israel is bombing them in their own homes and in the hospitals charter boat you bloody moron) Even if Palestinians are using human shields; That doesn't necessarily make it ok to kill those innocent people! - "If I have to kill the human shields it'll be your fault" Stop making excuses for your own wrongdoing, you're not destroying Hamas, just killing innocent people. Israel hasn't even captured a single member of Hamas to parade through the town like Jesus. All they do is capture a few middle aged working class men, get them to strip and carry some weapons, there's no rapes or beheadings, it's all made up. Israel has achieved nothing except kill it's own people on OCT 7, kill thousands of innocent people in revenge, earning itself official accusations of genocide, they've sent thousands more of it's own IDF in to be killed and wounded. And it begs the world for help "We need money and weapons" they demand - And all this, for what? For a mess it created itself 100 years ago and the suffering they routinely impose on others which continues to this day. Israel is an apartheid state that deliberately murders women and kids. Right now its killing thousands more with starvation. I hope the world never lets Israel forget what its been doing. They are a genocidal state and what they do should not be forgotten. Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 31 December 2023 9:46:13 AM
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ttbn,
On the other hand there doesn’t seem to be any visible effort from them to make themselves less of a target either.