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U.S politics and religion adding to the Middle East crisis

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Bezza, you are wrong. The Israeli blockade of the
occupied Gaza Strip has been in place since June
2007. Israel has controlled Gaza's air-space, and
land, and territorial waters as well as two of its
border crossings. The difference now being that
Israel has now put on a complete
siege on Gaza.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 28 October 2023 1:27:49 PM
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Yes Foxy you are right on that, I just read something about it.
However, what I think I was referring to was the blockade applied
after the 7th July, water, electricity, fuel food etc.

I have just read an article by a Frenchman about the situation in Europe.
I notice a number of European countries are looking for ways to expel
moslems back to their own countries.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/20103/europe-civil-war

The author is another ivory tower dweller at the Sorbonne amongst others.
In view of the 7th oct chants at the Sydney opera house of
Gas the Jews the article really should be thought about by us all.
"GAS THE JEWS !" doesn't that cause a little spine chill ?
Posted by Bezza, Saturday, 28 October 2023 3:25:48 PM
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And for you others, it is only once small step from Jews to Kaffirs.
Posted by Bezza, Saturday, 28 October 2023 3:27:44 PM
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Of course it puts a chill down my spine.
Any kind of hatred does - no matter who it
comes from. There are extremists and
fundamentalists all over the globe and in
every neighbourhood. I saw the two Nazis
being filmed on the news last night after
being released from court. Scary stuff.
And this is Australia.

The middle-east conflict is very concerning.
And who knows what the end result will be?

A line needs to be drawn in the sand - and
we say - there must be a cease-fire. Enough
is enough! But I realize I am being naive.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 28 October 2023 3:46:19 PM
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Dear Paul,

«Yuyutsu, what is your reasoning and justification for accepting "Collective Punishment" of innocent Palestinians by the Israeli?»

I do not condone punishment, let alone collective punishment.

I do accept self-defense and sometimes it regrettably means that people who seem to be innocent are hurt as well.
Ultimately, no innocent person can ever be hurt: that is a universal truth, but explaining that would require a deeper metaphysical discussion which is probably outside this scope.

In any case, I condemn any action that is motivated by a desire to punish.

«Josephus, Fester, Yuyutsu and others here supporting the crime of 'State Sanctioned Murder', which is being perpetrated by the state of Israel, in the form of "Collective Punishment" of innocent Palestinians»

I do not support that, but I believe that Israel attempts to minimise civilian casualties wherever reasonably possible without more casualties of its own.

«Foxy is one such person, who will not accept murder of the innocent as retribution for the crimes of the guilty.»

I do not accept it either. Please add my name to this list and remove it from the other.

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Dear Bezza,

«Muhomammad hated the Jews and so he wrote that hatred into the Koran.»

Muhammad, Peace-be-upon-him, did not write the Koran. The Koran could not have been written before the 790's, at least 160 years after his death and even then it kept changing for about another 200 years.
Muhammad, BTW, according to a new research, was a Christian, a military commander who led his troops to conquer Gaza, as well as an international merchant.
Islam gradually evolved from a Christian sect. Archaeologists found 8th-century coins with "Muhammad" on one side and a cross on the other.

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Dear Foxy,

«Shepp argues that if the war leads to both the right-wing
Netanyahu Coalition and Hamas losing popular legitimicy
and exiting the scene»

Indeed, we see it happening before our eyes.
Netanyahu is now a goner, so say even members of his own party.
Once the war is over, Israel will have a very different coalition government.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Saturday, 28 October 2023 9:41:40 PM
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Yuyustu, I do not doubt that what you say about Muhommad might be right.
I have also read that he never existed.
I also go not believe that Gabriel delivered the Koran to Mohommad from Allah.
Gawd, must be careful here they will come and shoot me.
However it does not matter a fig what we all think, it is what "they"
think that matters.
I wonder what sort of security is on this website ?
Can they hack into it, or we could all be in a lot of trouble.
Could we be arrested for hate crimes ? In the UK YES !
Where are Albo's 600,000 migrants coming from this year ?
What could possibly go wrong ?
Posted by Bezza, Saturday, 28 October 2023 10:41:11 PM
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