Foxy, I think something has to be done, but what ?
There are steps that have to be made to get to a better situation.
Bombing and invading are needed to remove this now threat.
They can remove one of the barriers.
I agree with ivory tower residents that it is historical.
It started in the 6th century when the Islamic Arab armies invaded
Mesopotamia including Jerusalem and killed Jews because the Koran hates Jews.
You think it can be solved with dialogue ?
I am not sure it is solvable at all.
If Hamas is defeated another movement would take its place.
There are several already lined up.
No the west is not responsible in any way. It started in the 6th
century and is required by the Koran. Muhomammad hated the Jews and
so he wrote that hatred into the Koran.
The US, the UN and everyone else has no hope of fixing this.
There is only one way it could be ended if the mothers start telling their children that the Jews are not evil people but are just like us.
Because of Islams attitude to women that could be very risky.

Well Foxy I wish you luck in your wish to visit that area but I will not be joining you.

One additional thought;
Where will Albo's 600,000 migrants this year come from ?

What could possibly go wrong ?

These "Islamic" experts are an unknown quantity, the Koran says this, the Koran says that, I doubt you have any such knowledge at all, but rather parrot the words of haters like yourself. I've never read a word of the Koran, and you are probably the same, but project yourself as an "expert" on the subject. I don't doubt the Koran is very much like the Bible, it will say whatever you want it to say, and it will justify whatever action you want it to justify.

Now for the here and now, to say; "Bombing and invading are needed to remove this now threat." You would happily kill thousands of innocent people, simply because they may pose a future threat to the likes of YOU! I realise bigots and haters can say these things from the safety of their comfy Australia, or wherever you are, I'm sure like others of your ilk, you are not sitting in Gaza, but you're no better that those who would kill innocent Jews for their own perverted reasons.

Hi Paul,

What I objected to was Foxy saying:

"We're told that the West is responsible morally and ethically
for this conflict."

What I saw on October 7 was a society engendering hatred toward Jews. Those terrorists who crossed the border and committed mass murder were more depraved than Brevic and Tarrant. What happened in those residential areas adjoining Gaza was a result of hatred, just as the massacres in Christchurch and Norway were a result of hatred. Watching protesters chanting "from the river to the sea Palestine will be free" carries the same sentiment as "gas the Jews".

The people of Gaza need to lose their hatred Paul.

One aspect that I find interesting is that Ukrainian SBU has been conducting assassinations on non-combatants for nearly a decade and they were trained by and work closely with the CIA and no-one seemed to care about that.

Now we have a completely different but in some ways similar attack upon non-combatants by a people who are designated terrorists by the US, and who are not supported or allied / partnered with the US.

If assassinating non-combatants in relation to a situation that started when the US wanted to expand NATO to Russian borders and included overthrowing the democratically elected leader and installing a puppet ruler and waging a war on it's own citizens that opposed it...

Then is it not hypocritical when a people who've been under occupation themselves and had their own land systematically taken rise up and do the same to their occupiers non-combatants civilian population?

Think about it.

Hi Fester,

No one should hate another, I agree with the Bible in; "love thy neighbour as thyself". That does not mean justice is not fair and reasonable, when applied in an appropriate way to the guilty. You say; "The people of Gaza need to lose their "hatred", however is that achieved by Israel killing indiscriminately.... innocent people, including the unborn, children, women old people? If the test for retribution is perceived "hatred" then of the 2.3 million Palestinians living in Gaza, how many are haters, and how many are not? When you give me a number, and show me how to identify the "haters" then so be it, BTW How many Israelis hate Palestinians? Do you not see this does nothing more than perpetuate the vicious cycle of hate, and counter hate, killing and counter killing.

What is your solution to this very complex problem? The extermination of 2.3 million Palestinians, to begin with. Hitler thought he had a "final solution" to the Jewish problem, does Israel have a similar solution to the Palestinian problem?