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Is not Allowing Ukraine to join NATO the right decision?

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Putin and the Kremlin do not care about the life of a
soldier. What's more important is winning no matter
what the cost. And only the Russian soldiers themselves
can prevent this futile carnage from continuing.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 24 July 2023 10:00:22 AM
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David and Paul,

Stalin was human as was Hitler and the SS guards at the concentration camps. The Russians are causing untold war crimes and causing massive misery all in the interest of illegally subjugating another nation.

Any Russian that is in Ukraine illegally and trying to kill Ukrainians cannot claim innocence. And while conscientious objection might carry a jail sentence, going to Ukraine makes you a killer and deserving of what may come your way. The Russian war crimes against Ukrainian civilians will not end until Russia's army is so badly mauled that it cannot fight any longer and the people drag Putin to a firing squad.

In as far as there is evil in this world the Russian army and Putin are the embodiment of it and the sanctimonious drivel oozing from Paul or David is risible.
Posted by shadowminister, Monday, 24 July 2023 1:11:54 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

Stalin and Hitler escaped retribution, dying - without ever
having been brought to justice. While half of the criminals,
the Nazis, have been pursued all over the world for their crimes,
the other half, the communist criminals, were allowed to go free.

They were, in effect, given tacit permission to continue the
operation of their concentration camps, to expand their
draconian systems to include psychiatric wards, thereby raising
torture, suppression, and murder to a science.

The fact that the process persisted was so vividly disclosed by
Alexandr Solzhenitsyn, and many others.

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Putin to be brought to
justice. Still, one can only live and hope.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 24 July 2023 2:15:48 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

The following link by Michael Rubin - may be of interest:

http://aei.org/op-eds/putin-should-be-sentenced-to-death-for-his-war-crimes-in-ukraine/
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 24 July 2023 2:44:21 PM
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Also Dr Michael Rubin's Bio and Experience is as follows:

http://aei.org/profile/michael-rubin/

He has a PhD and an MA in history from Yale and his
experience is impressive.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 24 July 2023 2:52:18 PM
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Thanks to those who respected the importance of 'the right of others to voice their opinions, regardless of whether one is in agreement'.
It's actually quite sad that this principle has become a grey area in our society recently.

I support the Russian side, mostly because I oppose the Western neoconservative side (and their ideology) who actively sought to bring this conflict about.
- But I don't enjoy any of the needless deaths and casualties, as well as the anguish of family members and it upsets and angers me that all of this could've been avoided.

If I thought there was a way where all parties to this conflict, mainly Ukraine and Russia could sit down and work things out amicably where both sides issues were accepted and resolved without further conflict I would support that.
- But I'm not so naive as to think things are or can be that simple.

mhaze,
"I've made a policy of not making predictions about the outcome of the war of the Russian Steppes, neither as to the ultimate outcome nor as to the current nuisances of individual battles or 'pushes'."

- My claim that Russia has already won the war and it's only a matter of time before the Ukrainian military collapses isn't so much based upon the outcomes of small battles, but largely in regards to what I see as Russia's advantage in their ability to maintain troop numbers, equipment and ammunition, as well as the fact they have air superiority, and some specific military equipment the west does not have, such as TOS 1A Heavy Flamethrower, Pansir S short range air defense, missile jamming capabilities, and long range and hypersonic missiles.

I don't think Ukraine can maintain its troop numbers, equipment and ammunition to fight a long war indefinitely.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 24 July 2023 4:12:29 PM
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