Antiseptic,

Apologies about Tay-Sachs - I had believed it to be a disorder specific to Jews. However, you conveniently ignored the scientific dna findings.

A little history about “indigenous” Palestinians; and Jews and “dispossession,” which if you doubt, I can supply documented references, title, authority, even page numbers. These would be held in your closest university.

But, Antispectic, you are not really interested in facts ... You apply sophistry, and might I add, extremely badly.

During the British Mandatory period , Brits ignored the unrestricted illegal Arab immigration from Egypt, Transjordan and Syria.

So bad was this wholesale, illegal Arab immigration, that in 1930, the Hope Simpson Commission condemned this practice. (John Hope Simpson, Palestine: Report on Immigration, Land Settlement and Development (London, 1930)

Illegal Arab immigrations from elsewhere, witnessed the Arab population increase 120% between 1922 and 1947.

Imagine Australia’s current population going from 20 million (rounded down) to 44 million in twenty-five years.

It took from the end of WWII (and our massive immigration policy) until now, just to double our population; a period of over sixty years.

The Arab complaint they were being displaced was an excuse to continually attack Jewish settlers. This was well known by the British at the time.

Arab attacks against Jewish settlers had nothing to do with nationalism. They never attacked the British.

Indeed, spokesman for Palestinian Arabs, Haj Amin, didn’t seek Britain to grant them independence. Far from it. Instead in a letter to Churchill, 1921, Amin demanded the territory be reunited with Syria and Transjordan.

Hope Simpson reported that Jews were being badly exploited by wealthy Arab landlords in land purchases. The Lewis French survey of 1931 found that only 600 Arabs were landless, yet only 100 accepted Government land offered them. Why?

Jews purchased land from both the mandatory authority and landowners. By 1947
Jews had acquired 45,000 acres from the Mandatory Government, 30,000 acres purchased from various churches, and 387,500 acres purchased from Arabs. By 1947, Jewish land holdings in Palestine amounted to some 463,000 acres.

cont ...

Transjordan’s King Abdullah wrote in his memoirs:

“It is made quite clear to all, both by the map drawn up by the Simpson Commission and another compiled by the Peel Commission, that the Arabs are as prodigal in selling their land as they are in useless wailing and weeping”
(King Abdullah, My Memoirs Completed (London, 1978), pp.88-89.

I do not support Jewish settlements over the Greenline. Albeit it is not an internationallly recognised border - but an armistice line between Israel and Jordan. Incidentally, it were the Arabs who did not wish the Greenline to be an geo-political border - not the Jews. The UN Security Security Resolution is a joy in semantics - all smoke and mirrors. But then who on earth defines a border based on a colour ?... anyone with a spray-can go out after dark ...

However, Israel’s right to exist in unquestioned. Jews must have a homeland - a nation state; a haven for existence - this is undeniable. History has proven this. Anti-semitism remains a virulent fact of life. Israel gets pride of place in the news to pander to an unpleasant aspect in the community.

Contemporary anti-semitism ... the new racism against Jews.

The University and College Union, UK, set up an academic and cultural boycott of
Israeli Jewish academics, philosophers, thinkers, artists, scientists, teachers and musicians, in 2005. This was a plank in Nazi Germany.

Why pick Israel, why not Russia, China, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, etc. ... indeed Australia - the situation of our indigenous people ... !

The answer: “antisemitism.” This applies also to those who do not believe they are antisemites, have no hatreds against Jews, even have Jews as friends (I love this qualifier ...)

Zionism is Jewish nationalism, no different from other forms of nationalism. Nationalism can lead to racism - as in Australia - but nationalism is not the same as racism

bushbred,

Please get someone to edit your posts before submitting them ...

Danielle, I resent your suggestion that my posts should be edited.

You should be able to tell between my own opinion and what is historical, such as the worry about the illegal Israeli attacks much earlier on Saddam’s Iraq and the recent attack on Syria.

You must know that such attacks must only be sanctioned by a global authority such as the United Nations.
You also should realize that my passages about my home town are of actual experiences of general opinion about Jewish wool buyers, many of whom we dealt with year after year. And surely you must have appreciated my statements about friendly experiences with Aussie Jew boys in the military.

The passages about the Great Library of Alexandria being of great interest to Jews of the time also can be found in most Humanities study manuals. And I stated that during our studies there was talk of possibly the Jewish boy Jesus having asked questions of the wise men who had possibly attended there?

Talking about chips on the shoulder, Danielle, your over- accusationary attitude certainly shows you could easily have one?

Danielle,

You are, perhaps, joking:
“Contemporary anti-semitism ... the new racism against Jews.”

I would suggest “Contemporary new anti-Semitism – the same old-fashioned racism against the Jews”.

Danielle:"you conveniently ignored the scientific dna findings."

Nope. You're simply too busy regurgitating your incredibly long propaganda spiels to read what others write. I pointed out quite specifically where you were wrong in respect of your claim that only Jews suffer from Tay-Sachs and then went on to offer a reason (matrilineal descent) for the DNA findings. Do try to keep up.

Most of your posts are irrelevancies about Arabs, when the topic is the poor behaviour of Israel. I know that Arab states are poorly run and that the Middle East has had a long history of conflict. So what? You constantly try to minimise Israeli actions by reference to Arab actions. It's akin to a bad parent blaming the crying baby for "making me hit it". If you want Israel to be treated as a State worthy of respect, that dishonesty and buck-passing must stop. It's long past time the Israeli's became adults and took responsibility for their own actions.
l gets pride of place in the news to pander to an unpleasant aspect in the community."

The "right" of Israel to exist is not at issue. It already exists, for beter or worse. Your claim is another favoured ploy of Zionist propagandists to try to divert the discussion. I also disagree that "Jews must have a homeland" any more than Mormons, 7th Day Adventists, Buddhists, Hindus, or even Moslems. I bet you know dozens ofJewish people with recent ancestry in Britain, the former USSR, Germany, France, Poland. DNA testing would show these people share far more commonality with the local Gentile populations they were born into than with Jews from other places.

Why should a British person have a need of a Middle Eastern "homeland", regardless of who his mother is?

I am also deeply offended by your constant characterisation of me as "anti-semitic". I am not and your claim is dishonest. Israel gets pride of place in the news because of several factors, none of which is to do with anti-Semitism. I'd list some, but you won't bother reading this anyway.

Antiseptic,

If you are not anti-Semitic, your understanding of issues should be improved even more substantially than my writing skills: “poor behaviour of Israel” if any, based on islamists’ disapproval of a Jewish state’s existence.