Antiseptic

My biggest issue with you anti-Zionists is that you are intellectually dishonest and hypocritical, not to mention racist in the extreme. As long as you continue to be that way, I'll continue to point it out. I expect I'll be doing so for some time to come.

I can use emotive statements just like you. They mean nothing and have no place in an argument.

Jews do not regard themselves as chosen people that was an argument used by the Christian Church to discredit a people who would not adopt Christianity.

If you chose to return to Denmark how would that be at the expense of other Danes? There is plenty of room for you all.

I have not said that Jews are the only ones to be persecuted I think all racial persecution is wrong. I would like to see Christians, Druze etc allowed to return to their ancestral Arab countries with the same rights as afforded to Muslims in the State of Israel.

Would that not appeal to you?

BB - Part One

For a people having suffered so much over the years, modern Israeli leaders show an unfortunate lack of humility - almost as if such is not needed because they have so much rightness on their sides?

Possibly being pushed down for hundreds of years, the Jewish race is still proud to produce such as Einstein, proving so beneficial to Western thought.

There is historical proof also how most of the students attending the Great Library of Alexandria in Egypt were Jews, proving how progressive-minded Jews did benefit from Hellenistic culture, but also how the Jewish boy Jesus could also have been influenced by such culture, especially as the Sermon on the Mount seems intended to enlighten human reasoning with its - blessed are - rather than the religious - thou shalt - which appears so dictatorial compared to the later Sermon.

There was a saying in the bush that Jewish friendliness can be just a part of business, that Jewish traders or woolbuyers though friendly enough doing deals in woolsheds, it was hard to get them to come into the homestead for a cuppa, either that most of them have chips on their shoulders, or it is part of their religion.

It was different mixing with them in the Australian military, often establishing mateships and willing to die with and for their cobbers. Such has also happened in sport, which has always been a good medium for such

Logic,

“Jews do not regard themselves as chosen people”. You are right: Jews feel themselves chosen under duress only. And having beside others from non-Jewish minorities in the same pitiful situation makes mentally capable persons no any better.

The question remains what is duress and what is a sort of mentality dominant in particular societies.

Danielle,

Thank you for your thanks. I am simply realistic, much more realistic than those recently paid for "Monash University Study on How Skilled Migration Contributes Australia".

Or their English allows playing words less straight, surely.

One could also question how many Jews hold high positions in our universities when only last night on Foxtel we had the Sky political commentator discussing the Afghanistan problem with who looked as severe as one of our ASIO officials and an Islamic professor from one of our universities, the Muslim academic appearing much more eager to discuss mixing more with the possibly Taliban and even admitting that Western friendliness might be just the old colonial process once again precluding the big imperialist takeover, even suggesting that it was one lurk the Afghans had been able to resist during the British occupation next door in greater India.

Taking a philosophical point of view, one wonders what really goes on in the minds of Israeli leaders. Certainly they know now that after their experience with the Nazis that it is safer to be on the side of a leading democratic power like the US, but to be also a virtual hangdog of the present American autocratic world policy, especially being backed by the US to do ariel attacks as they did earlier on Saddam’s possibly nuclear construction and just lately on Syria’s seems as if little Israel is being used and abused by the US and UN to carry out Middle East responsibilities which should be left to more globally-backed powers.

Many thanks for the extra space,

regards, BB - WA.

bushbred

I wish commentators would learn more about Judaism and more about the large variety of people who are considered Jews.

The preachings of Jesus were largely out of the Old Testament or the later Jewish sages. He was a Jews preaching and practicing Judaism. Apparent differences often occur because the medieval Church made changes, both in translation into the Latin and because of their neglect of Jewish interpretations of the Bible.

Many Jews have moved into prominence, particularly in science, medicine and the arts. The list is formidable. Likewise Israel has been a high performer. I suspect the religion with its lack of dogma and its focus on this life rather than the next may the the reason. Christians and Muslims tend to be jealous of Jewish success, unable to see that the dogmas of their own teachings are often responsible for their relative lack of achievement. The growth of agnosticism is helping to change this.

A broad statement, perhaps wrong but worth considering.

Bushbred, Interesting comment about Jews and the army.
My father had a Jewish mate in and after the Second world War who was my Godfather .
I only met him once - a nice bloke .

I am not sure whether Dad could have been Godfather to his son or sons .

Secular and Fundamentalists of all religions seem almost worlds apart with the latter causing a lot of grief to anyone who disaggrees with their position .

logic,I don't like the idea of my sons or daughters having to go to the Middle East to help drag Jewish Fundamentalists out of their self made mire .