bushbred,

You have the all the rights of freedom of speech, etc - that is uncontestable. You state you are a postgrad and then present the following. Then get hysterical when I suggest that you get someone to edit your posts. Indeed, this is not the first one you have submitted this way. Do you know what "edit" means? If English is not your first language then I deeply apologise.

I am sure you have very interesting contributions to make, but clarity of expression is vital.

"One could also question how many Jews hold high positions in our universities when only last night on Foxtel we had the Sky political commentator discussing the Afghanistan problem with who looked as severe as one of our ASIO officials and an Islamic professor from one of our universities, the Muslim academic appearing much more eager to discuss mixing more with the possibly Taliban and even admitting that Western friendliness might be just the old colonial process once again precluding the big imperialist takeover, even suggesting that it was one lurk the Afghans had been able to resist during the British occupation next door in greater India."

MichaelK,

Yes, you are right. However, nowdays, people avoid admitting they are antisemites, by saying they like Jews. They say it is just Zionism they hate.

Antiseptic,

Israel has a duty to protect itself - all its citizens, Jews, Muslims, Christians, Druze, Bahai, Bedouin, Gypsies, Arabs alike. They are loyal to Israel. A couple of the smaller groups have their headquaters there. If Israel didn't exist they would be persecuted in Arab states to the point of extinction. Druze commonly serve as border police; Bedouin as paratroopers.

cont ...

You state:

"I also disagree that "Jews must have a homeland" any more than Mormons, 7th Day Adventists, Buddhists, Hindus, or even Moslems"

You really are out of touch with reality aren't you. If we follow this logic, all Australians other than indigenous peoples (and even the latter arrived from elsewhere) should return to Europe. My G-d look what we have done to our indigenous peoples ...! Hitler did his best to stamp out 7th Day Adventists and Gypsies. Christians are not permitted in most Arab States. What about the US - even Britain. What about Denmark. Indeed you could make an argument that there should be no homelands for anyone.

Unlike you, I enjoy and cherish the many races, religions and peoples of the world. It would be a dull, colourless world - not really worth living in, if all peoples had to become a single unified, undifferentiated group. Indeed if we all became like you. Perhaps we should all return to our origins in Africa. And never forget, no country has been forged without conflict.

Regarding DNA. I should have realised that you wouldn't have any knowledge of this even at the most basic level. Have you any idea of: DNA markers, chromosones, genotypes, genomics, proteomics. Have you any idea what a haplotype is; mitochondria? I know very little about genetics. However, with the rate of science and its developments if you hope to be considered even slightly educated, you had better start learning ... This is rapidly becoming a most important field in medical science. Also, we will be confronted with monumental ethical issues which society will have to address.

Danielle says "I enjoy and cherish the many races, religions and peoples of the world ".

Is she prepared to fight for their existence ?

I think one of her "monuumental ethical issues" may well be,but not for her of course; can we keep on supporting and protecting indifferent , non army serving Fundamentalist Jews in Israel in what appears at least with the US, an open ended basis ?

I am all for Peace ,but when the US says all the new settlement building is "NOT HELPFULL" I believe them .

Danielle: "people avoid admitting they are antisemites, by saying they like Jews. They say it is just Zionism they hate."

I can't speak for "people", but as for me, I don't "hate" Zionism or Jews. I despise the corrupted thought processes of modern pro-Zionists, which leads to constantly blaming others for one's own faults, but I am quite in awe of the strength of will of the Zionists of the early 20th Century who managed to force Britain to give them a slice of someone else's land to call their own. Modern Israeli leadership is a poor, shattered reflection of their brilliance.

Danielle: "Israel has a duty to protect itself "

The only reason Israel gets away with its disgraceful behaviour is the strong pro-Zionist presence within the US. Successive Israeli governments have used that support to behave abominably in the knowledge they will never be held to account. How many UN resolutions has Israel ignored?

Danielle: "Hitler did his best to stamp out 7th Day Adventists and Gypsies."

Ah, so now we come to the realisation that the holocaust was not exclusively a Jewish experience. Which part of Israel are you prepared to give to the gypsies as their very own? What about here in Oz, are you prepared to hand over some of your land for a "7th Day Adventist homeland"?

Danielle: "Indeed you could make an argument that there should be no homelands for anyone."

You may have noted that all of the examples I gave were, like the Jews, religiously-based groupings, except the gypsies who have been arguably even more victimised historically than the Jews. What makes the Jews deserving of such a "homeland" and the other groups not?

Danielle: "I know very little about genetics."

That's obvious. Most people would regard their lack of knowledge as good reason to keep their mouth shut. I'm sure you've heard the old saying about being thought a fool.

Which Arab States are Christians "not permitted" in?

To Lady Danielle

Must say Danielle, you give reminder of the experience of some of us WW2 veterans who though roughly bush educated had in the early 1970s been allowed after a rapid mental survey to do part-time studies at WAIT, later Curtin University.

As happened we had an American tutor who was rumoured to have been banished from the US during the McCarthy era, and who along with our Aussie David Black, each separately taught us American plus Australian histories the first year, while the American taught us socio-political strategy the second year involving much about the Vietnam War and the ending of the Indonesian Sukarno Era, et al.

With your complaints about my rough and ready style of literary explanation, Danielle, must say that many of us veterans had the same problem and were advised to do Essay-Writing courses with the English department - even though the American tutor had praised us for insight gained from our earlier years, military experience being part of it.

While one of the English tutors found favour with much of our literary expression, even saying that I personally had a natural novelist-style, the other tutor, a lady not long out from the UK, was not happy with much of our styles at all.

As the complaints got back to the social-science sectors, the literary lady unfortunately, had to be sacked mainly because her editing was even eating into many social science theories, which was the reason, Danielle, that I was offended about you suggesting that I get my OLO essays checked.

Please remember, Danielle, that us oldies did not come down in the last shower, and can easily pick up weaknesses not in your own excellent literary-style, but in the way both you and Paull make light of controversial parts of political history.

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BB - Part Two

Especially so about Mordecai, Danielle, whom we studied deep into, and believe that the silence from America while the honest poor beggar was treated like a criminal - as it was his own leaders who were the real criminals for illegally joining the nuclear rocketry brigade.

Indeed, Danielle, It is our wish that we could have some Global Authority with the power to put any one or any body that has broken strategic laws, Tony Blair and John Howard being branded along with George W Bush, coupled with earlier Israeli leaders over Israel going nuclear coupled with the despicable Mordecai treatment.

From BB - Ain't about to change - of WA - Bestest Aussie State.