Reported from Mohammed Daraghmeh, “Palestinian Vigilante Killings on the Rise,” AP, (Oct. 6, 2005): Palestinians killing other Palestinians. By October of the year 2005, 151 dead; more than in clashes with Israeli troops defending their country against terrorism.

So horrific has been Hamas’ terrorism waged against their own people that Palestinians have fled. In 2007 the high numbers of migrations of Palestinians particularly to Europe, the US and Canada, even Israel - resulted in Palestinian religious authorities issuing a fatwa, June of the same year - forbidding Palestinian Muslims emigration - unless, temporarily, for educational purposes.

Hamas’ terrorism of their own: In the year 2007 by June, in Gaza alone, more than 10,000 had applied to leave that area.

Incidentally, Hamas have a state-of-the-art disinformation propoganda machine from which street-press journalists indiscriminately accept copy, without bothering to check and verify facts elswehere.

Terrorists have no code of conduct ... Terrorism is unutterably horrific.

People like you, probably having had nothing more stressful in your life than losing your car-keys, sit back in armchairs, and pontificate about things they know absolutely nothing about.

I related a special “Kodak” moment of one particular act of terrorism I witnessed in Malaya: Read: Thursday April 2008 12:01:58 / 12:07:44 AM
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=7214&page=0

Those who have read my posts know my sympathies toward Palestinian; Palestinians have been exploited, used and terrorised by their supposed leaders. Arafat made $billions from keeping them in dire poverty - and deflecting accountability by raging against Israel. Now we have a seemingly impotent Abbas and Hamas killers. With right leadership, Palestine could be celebrating its 60th birthday as a modern Islamic state living in harmony and good-will alongside Israel. $Billions upon billions have been poured into Palestinian territory. Isn’t it about time that donor states demand accountability? Or is there some other reason for not doing so?

Danielle ,
I understand your "Billions upon Billions" have also continued to pour into the Israeli Army by the US .

Food for one Army and Guns for the Other.

One throws rocks, the other uses armoured bulldozers.

Not a good look Danielle.

Danielle, the subject is Israel, not Hamas. If you wish to discuss the poor behaviour of Hamas, feel free to start a thread on the topic. The fact is that the Israeli State, the most powerful in the region, routinely behaves in a manner that would be condemned by civilised countries if it was any other state other than Israel. The reason for that is the Zionist guilt industry. The holocaust was over 3 generations ago. The Israeli State has been in existence for nearly 3 generations. How long are you going to try to use a terrible atrocity to justify more atrocities?

Killing civilians is wrong, whether it is Hamas or Israel doing it. Israel does it more and with less reason, given the enormous power of that state. It does so with clear alternatives, which means it is a deliberate policy. That is a disgrace, no matter how you choose to slice it.

Antiseptic and kartiya jim

You both need to read Palestinian propaganda with some skepticism, and you both need a grip on reality. Long before the declaration of the State of Israel, sections of the Muslim world were attempting to cleanse Palestine of Jews and making life hard for all non-Muslims. This is not Zionist cant but fact.

Hamas has in its charter the annihilation of the Jewish state, look it up on the web. They also allow a TV station to promote the glories of martyrdom on children's TV. Look it up on U-tube. This is not acceptable behaviour, it is a cult of evil in anyone's language. If you dismiss this I will wonder about your sincerity.

This is a declaration of war in anyones language. Yet you two wish Israel to take a Chamberlain like approach to those who would destroy it. You ask for a proportionate response, what is that? Saudi Arabia does not allow Churches to be built and offers to finance fundamentalist courses in our Universities. Iran stones women to death, puts unacceptable restrictions on Jews in the country and finances terrorism.

Do you people ignore history? Did the allies show a disproportionate response in WW2. The Islamists have made it clear that their goal is world domination, do they have to shout into your ears to make you realise? Israel is simply the first step in the establishment of a new Caliphate, don't be in denial, don't be fools.

Look a bit further in your reading. Just because it is written by an Israeli or an American does not make it false. Those two countries have done far more for our civilization than the Palestinians have.

Maybe we should forget much of the smaller controversies and look more towards the results of the coming US election?

Report in the West Australian of a suggestion by John McCain that US troops may be needed to stay in Iraq for 100 years, leaves us with gloomy feelings about rising US imperialism in the Middle East?

Though even much less years, the gloom is especially so since most of the US public is against the Iraq occupation, Americans are unlikely to elect for the first time, either a white Western female nor a non-white.

Looking back, with the finale to Stalinist Russla with wars like Vietnam though not won by the West turning out virtually friendly to the West, gave hope that non-Westerners would in the end decide that just a touch of our Western way of life is preferred. .

So what has proven successful in Vietnam as well as in Malaysia, and after all not much bitterness left towards the West in India, and even China coming our way under capitalism, how did we manage to invite so much hate towards us from ME Islam?

Many social scientists unfortunately tend to blame a nuclear Israel for much of the Middle East tension right now . Such made worse, because the US backs little Israel to violate UN rules by illegal attacks on part erected suspected nuclear installations as on Iraq back in the early 1980s and on Syria just recently.

American leaders like Bush and Cheney have been far too ready to attack also, as proven by the illegal attack on Iraq, and the recent threats about punishing Iran before the end of the Bush regime.

It has also been suggested that America has been so ready to attack not only because of her volatile strike capacity, but because she has never learnt the lesson of being attacked and occupied herself. It is thus felt that leaders like Bush and Cheney must enjoy war, no doubt feeling a delicious thrill as they swept into Iraq over five years ago

Bushbred Part Two

Furthermore, the US military mess in Iraq has been interestingly calmed down by putting on the US payroll most of Saddam’s former Sunni frontline troops who naturally had been the base of the deadly Sunni insurgent attacks going on for years in Iraq.
Called The Awakening, Bush has even promised the former Sunni insurgents that they can even renew a branch of the Saddamite Baath Party if they perform well enough.

To be sure Iran will not stand a long imperialistic US occupation of Iraq, and one wonders whether Russia and China and even India will back Iran?

Indeed, it may be the only means to prevent Iran being totally annihilated by the US with Israeli nuclear aid.

After all the US has still never forgotten how Iran kicked out the American-planted Shah, held the US Embassy captive for more than a year, and to top it all even defeated a US backed Iraq despite losing nearly a million men after eight deadly years.

To some measure Iran, the former Persia, though it seems a declared enemy right now, could still be admired for her capacity to hold her own?