Jardine,
I had suggested that we close the forum because you and others on your sides were repetitive, indicating not having anything new to add. But you seem to be bent upon exposing your lack of knowledge and lack of reason. So be it. I had asked you following question:-

"Please tell me which part of Quran preaches raping of unbelievers or of any body else for that matter?
And had also suggested;
"We will go over your questions, one by one; mind the word restriction, if you are realistic."

Your answer to this specific question is as follows:-
"Just answer the question. Are you saying that no part of the Koran preaches or authorises the killing, enslaving or raping of unbelievers"

No Jardine, this is intellectual dishonesty. If you say some something, it is your responsibility to substantiate it. You allege that Quran preaches and authorizes rape of unbelievers, onus is on you to furnish the evidence; elementry!

Tell me where in Quran is rape preached or authorized?

You seem to bent upon exposing your utter ignorance, in spite of my advice against it and in spite of the fact that I provided you face saving opportunity repeatedly.
You challenged my true statement about Anti Terrorism in Pakistan and could provide no evidence to support your false claim. You started an unnecessary debate on state/ nation and then asked my explanation as who started this irrelevant debate and Now you keep repeating that Quran sanctions rape and when I ask you to provide any proof to support your ridiculous claim, you try to perry the question by counter question.

You are so blinded by your hatred that you can't see how have you made a complete fool of yourself, more than once. I gave you every chance to save face but you exposed yourself.

Come back to me when you have a reference from Quran about preaching and authorization of rape, otherwise, I am not interested in wasting my time with you.

McAdam

Are you saying that no part of the Koran preaches or authorises the killing, enslaving or raping of unbelievers?

McAdam/NC,

You may be misunderstanding SPQR.

The question is: In your view, is Islamic State acting against the teachings of the Koran in beheading children, raping and enslaving women and girls, and in murdering unarmed prisoners ? If so, will IS thugs go straight to Hell when they are killed ?

A simple 'yes' or 'no' would do nicely :)

Joe

I can find nothing on beheading children sanctioned in Muslim holy books in reading around the net, only enslavement. Perhaps an age limit is not being recognized by perpetrators.

I'm not sure what constitutes a "hate site" precisely, but here can be found many interpretations of statements from Muslim holy books:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm that do not support NC and McAdam.

They may wish to pull apart several of the interpretations to refute the argument that Islam, while providing a code to live by, is a supremacist ideology. Refutation is needed both to convince doubters of fundamentalist Islam's good intentions, and, to convince IS et al that they have strayed from Islam by their actions.

Luciferase, i dont often agree with you on other threads/issues but you have earned a lot of respect from me for your principled stand on this thread.

NC/McAdam/Junaid

1. Pakistani issue
You need to decide whether the Pakistani issue is relevant.

If it is, then stop trying to squirm out of answering my questions by telling me to ask someone else what the relevance of it is.

If it’s not, then stop trying to squirm out of answering my questions by pleading the prior relevance of it.

Even if I conceded everything you claim about the Pakistani issue, which I don’t, all you would have established is that the Pakistani state has decided on a military operation against the Taliban. However obviously if the Taliban are motivated by beliefs or doctrines that Muslims, as Muslims, share in common, a Pakistani army attack on the Taliban is not going to solve the problem.

Therefore you have not established any point of significance turns on this issue, far less any intellectual dishonesty on my part. The intellectual dishonesty is all your own: equivocation, evasion and ad hominem.

2. Relation between Islam and Islamism
>>"Are you saying that no part of the Koran preaches or authorises the killing, enslaving or raping of unbelievers?"

>”No Jardine, this is intellectual dishonesty. If you say some something, it is your responsibility to substantiate it.”

I’m asking you, not telling you. Therefore there is no onus on me to prove it one way or another.

Your argument is only the “No true Scotsman” fallacy. According to your theory, any Muslim terrorist, by committing a terrorist act, shows that he is not “sane” or is a “zealot”. Therefore Islamism has nothing to do with Islam, supposedly. The atrocities committed daily in the name of Islam are just some kind of strange coincidence, nothing to do with Islam.

To state the argument is to see the stupidity and dishonesty of it, unobscured by your repeated attempts at evasion larded at every stage with spiteful personal argument.

So what’s the answer to my question?