Jardine,
"We have already established that you think slavery, armed robbery, rape, mass murder phucking little children, and killing people for different religions opinions, are all okay ...."
I am surprised to know that it has been established by others, as to what I think,......without my knowledge or consent?.

Your claim must be based on the consensus recorded on this thread; can you please quote?

In my post of 8 February, I had challenged your earlier claim; "We have ablready established the irrelevance of other religions." I had asked you to substantiate.
An honorable person would have provided the proof of last claim first; you didn't .... but instead have resurfaced after one week, with another hallucination. That puts your honesty and mental heath in serious doubt. Can a sane person be so sure of mind reading of others; without any proof? Can't you see, what you prove yourself to be? Again and again?

You have repeated your earlier remarks, ignoring the conclusive evidence provided from history, by NC showing the falsehood of your stand and you again repeat your rubbish.
You do not care about other's views and do not take into account, the developments of the discussion during your long absence. This jaundiced fixation with one's own view is common trait of all haters.

You use offensive and abusive language against the faith when forum is discussing the heinous murder of three bright and innocent Muslim youths. Any human heart would be touched by the tragedy, except the one consumed by hatred; yours.
That is what you have in common with the hate filled Hicks of the world and with the self righteous of the IS.
It is hatred you spew that spawns the likes of Hicks.

President Barack Obama said on Friday that no one should be targeted for what they look like or how they worship. That is exactly the point of the article, we are discussing. But you keep insisting that they should.
You are a hater and you side with the haters and ....... you shall fail as better sense will prevail

MIND CONTROL THROUGH KNOWLEDGE & INFORMATION

“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.” (George Orwell, 1984)

Most people agree that there is deliberate and orchestrated effort to manipulate the facts to rewrite past as well as to affect the present.
We are witness to the lie of WMD of Iraq. We are currently being told that the Egyptian Military Quo is democracy. They said in the recent past, that Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King were threat to their respective countries.

People continue to be sensitive to history and are obsessed with recording it to their liking. See the deep obsession with holocaust, Nazism and antisemitism. It indicates the desire to have the history aligned with the narrative of the powerful. See an example from ancient history. Jesus is not found as a person in the historical records of the tribe which had the monopoly of writing and preserving the historical records. Jesus was a unique person who restored the sight of the blind and raised the dead from the grave and we are made to believe that he was not known to the people. Is it possible? Certainly not, clearly his name was struck off the records, for propaganda reasons.
Even today the control of media is top priority of the powerful and they modify the facts and tell outright lies to suit their aims; we just cited the example of WMD.

Truth is mutilated in war, as truth is known to be the first casualty in war; any war. Just see the respective accounts of events in Ukraine or in Iran. Each side tells completely different truth. We were told Bay of Pigs was attacked not by CIA. We were told Libya was not attached by CIA raised mercenaries and Syrian Rebels were not aided by the West. The history of Crusades is also filled with similar "truths". The other side was vilified and demonized. If we were to believe any book of that period as absolute truth, the chances of we being mislead, are easily imaginable.

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The effort to twist the truth is constantly on, in our world of competing interests.
The aim is to impose own will over the others, so the effort to target the minds is on; Huntington’s theory of “the clash of civilizations” argues that international conflicts erupt not because of imperialistic pursuits of economic, territorial, or geopolitical advantages but because of non-Western civilizations’ reactions to Western power and values". A deeper thought would expose the hollowness of this argument, yet a number of people have embraced it as truth. Similarly Richard Perle’s strategy of “de-contextualization.” Perle, a leading neoconservative militarist (and a prominent advisor of the Likud party of Israel), has coined the term “de-contextualization” as a way to explain both the desperate acts of terrorism in general and the violent tactics of the Palestinian resistance to occupation in particular. He argues that in order to blunt the widespread global criticism of the Israeli inhuman treatment of Palestinians, their resistance to occupation must be de-contextualized; that is, they must Be stopped from trying to understand the territorial, geopolitical and historical reasons that force some groups turn to terrorism. Instead the world be made to believe that it is because of inherent fault of the belief system of the Palestinians that they turn to violence.( Ismael Hussein-Zadeh) Again, a deeper thought and analysis, will unmask the truth.

The question is what should we do to save ourselves from becoming the victim of propaganda? It is to see the bias of the source of our information. If source of our information on Jesus, for example are Jews, then we should know, they secured the punishment for him which was reserved for those guilty of the despicable crimes and then they also lead the world to believe that Jesus did not even exist. We should know that they are not the source that should be relied on the subject of Jesus. We should rather turn to the primary source. The believers among us can rely on the Bible and Quran as reliable sources, on Jesus.
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If We want information on Islam or Muhammad, may peace be upon him, then the mediaeval hate material produced by the enemies of Islam, is not the reliable source.
It remains our individual responsibility to seek and encompass the truth. It would depend on our respective access to the reliable source and also our relative ability to grasp the truth. Since our access to truth and our relative capacities to encompass the truth vary, the room for disagreement would still remain.
All of us may never be on the same page. Yet if we strive to seek the truth, then we will not be standing on the slippery ground of lies and will not be struggling to find our feet and on every slip, we will not be cursing the others.

Now, let us examine the position of Jardine. He/ she is convinced about what all Muslims "think". Period. He/she is convinced about the absoluteness of the information and needs no further evidence, because probably it is so written in what he/she has read. The precariousness of this position is obvious.

His/her second "absolute truth" is the trash about the person of Muhammad, may peace be upon him. Again, because he/she has probably read it some where. His/her argument would be right if his/her premise was right; ........... if?

These are interesting times we are living in. There is so much information clutter and so much tainted information, being thrown at us, that it requires vigilance and hard work to discern the truth, embrace it and stand firm on it. Yet remaining conscious that there would always be room for improvement in our information. Similarly, we must give allowance to others to have different opinion. We can agree to disagree. The abusive language and foul mouthing is out of place in a mature discourse.
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Finally, the manipulator of truth have so far thrived on isolation of people and have assumed that people would always be sealed from one and other; "If he were allowed contact with foreigners he would discover that they are creatures similar to himself and that most of what he has been told about them is lies. The sealed world in which he lives would be broken, and the fear, hatred, and self-righteousness on which his morale depends might evaporate.” (George Orwell, 1984). The powerful would still like to isolate us from one and other. They would like the fear, hatred, mutual suspicion and self- righteousness to thrive. (It is amazing that this was judged in the middle of last century, when Orwell wrote his masterpiece) The effort to keep the people isolated is evidenced by the recent visit of David Cameron to US President, asking him for tighter control over Internet and subsequent meeting of the US President with Internet giants in Silicon Valley. Aim is clear; control through knowledge and information.

The communities are however no longer isolated. We should see for ourselves that other people are like us and need to be treated like we ourselves would like to be treated. That is the message of Torah, Bible and Quran; can we grow up to it?

"It was not by making yourself heard but by staying sane that you carried on the human heritage.”
(George Orwell, 1984)

May we stay sane, amen.

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@JKJ

He makes another false statement (his post his post of 15 Feb, 11:43 am):

“We have already established that you think slavery, armed robbery, rape, mass murder phucking little children, and killing people for different religions opinions, are all okay because you hold the moral example of Mohammed to be unimpeachable on any ground.”

The SMALL MIND continues to use his FOUL MOUTH to spread misinformation on Muhammad (Saw).

He shows once again that lies don’t bother him.

This makes me repeat my question: Does he have a conscience?

Thomas Carlyle discouraged the likes of him against heaping lies around the “silent great soul” of Muhammad (Saw).

George Bernard Shaw called Muhammad (Saw) the “Saviour of Humanity”.

And thousands of other sane minds show nothing but respect for Muhammad (Saw).

He needs to read REAL history.

Ignoring all that, this SMALL MIND pursues his mission of degrading the faith of 1.6 billion people of the world, against all accepted norms of civilised behaviour of the present-day humanity.

You find nothing in his posts other than the narrowness of a wicked mind.

Every time he writes, he only shows a complete ignorance of the REAL history and the DECENT human values. Every time he writes he displays an unrelenting effort of making a complete fool of himself.