Junaid/NC/McAdam

Do you think it's okay to kill, enslave or rape non-Muslims in accordance with the authority of Mohammed and the Koran, or not?

Are you saying that no part of the Koran preaches or authorises the killing, enslaving or raping of unbelievers?

If JKJ stays true to form - he'll very shortly declare himself the "winner"!

Poirot

Notice how NC/McAdam/Junaid believes in violence but can't bring himself either to admit it or renounce it?

Like you.

Notice how when called on it, he evades, and ignores, and diverts, and personalises, and goes in circles - anything but join issue and admit what he can't defend?

Like you.

Your last piece of ad hominem assumes that truth doesn't matter.

It is not "abuse" to call you on your tedious dishonesty. It's jut more tedious dishonesty on your part to say it is.

All you have done is bring back up your bitter gall at my having repeatedly proved you wrong and self-contradictory and illogical and violent and stupidly unethical. Just shut up and go away. You could join a left wing cheer squad for compulsory government education of girls in northern Nigeria - things you believe in.

JKJ,

"All you have done is bring back up your bitter gall at my having repeatedly proved you wrong and self-contradictory and illogical and violent and stupidly unethical. Just shut up and go away...."

A thousand pardons, but I can't help myself. Watching you attempting to ascribe all kinds of odious values to the people you debate is like an endless series of reruns...it's all you can do.

Loudy, and his twenty questions demanding "yes/no" answers is vying for the role on OLO of most predictable poster...he does it no matter how scant his knowledge of the actual subject. That and his sarcasm means he's seriously challenging you, JKJ.

Love the way you say you've proved me "violent"...pray tell, is that in the same way that you accuse everyone else of violence who has the temerity to debate you?

Time to scratch around in the bottom of your kit bag for a new line, methinks.

Joe,

You had hoped that my answer to Jardine question would be either yes or no.

Didn’t happen that way, for a reason, and here you are with the stuff you had prepared assuming that I will not see the crookedness built in the question.

Apparently, you have not been able to see from my answer so far that I had seen through your questioner. Here are details for you in more explicit terms:

The question is a two layer statement: The bottom layer is a FALSEHOOD OF MONUMENTAL PROPORTIONS, as I have already pointed out, and the top layer “Do you think it's okay to kill, enslave or rape non-Muslims “is a question that no sane mind can say “Yes” to. But if you say “No” to the question, you still own the sinister assumption built into the bottom layer.

Nice try!

What you did not expect is that your assumption in the bottom layer can be easily demolished, which is exactly what I did and with that your whole trap got dismantled.

Interestingly, you and SPQR have been eagerly waiting for a yes or no from me, applauding the questioner who seems happy with his mastery of 7th grade logic.

Good part is that your follow up in this question episode has given me the insight about you I was hoping to get from your answers to my questions which you have evaded so far. The situation is:

1. You make a statement (one of many faulty ones) that “After all, the Koran wasn't written down for a hundred years after his (Muhammad’s) death, there were competing versions of it floating around, and perhaps still are.”;

2. But you evade to substantiate your statement despite my repeated requests.

The obvious conclusion is that you can make statements without a credible source to support them.

Useful information!

Jardine
"How is the question, whether Pakistanis are rising up against terrorism as a nation or state, logically relevant ......."

Please address this question to the person who raised it in the first place, by pointing out difference of nation and state, in this debate. The name of that person is Jardine; see your own earlier posts.

This debate about Pakistan, has been started by a person of your side, who challenged and attempted to make fun of my passing reference, as "the joke of the year"...and then you Jardine entered the debate...totally unprepared.
You and others on your side challenged what I had said about Pakistan rising up as a nation against terrorism. I provided the reference of international and national media and invited you to verify the information I had provided; and plenty of other means are still available to do so. But you continued to refute me; unprepared.

Now, here is your situation. You are challenging a substantiated and verifiable statement...while yourself armed with only guess work and conjecture; "I think" and " probably" are the words you use. The irony is that you still can not see the untenability of your position and this is, in spite of the warning I gave you not to expose your ignorance any further.

You know why it is happening?... You may never realize. It is because the hate damages the beholder. It first attacks the ability to stay impartial and rational. Read this again and again and contemplate; may you be guided to the truth, amen.

Now on your repeated question;
"Let's get this straight. Are you saying that no part of the Koran preaches or authorises the killing, enslaving or raping of unbelievers"

Please tell me which part of Quran preaches raping of unbelievers or of any body else for that matter?
We will go over your questions, one by one; mind the word restriction, if you are realistic.

Joe, please read, for you too raised a similar question.