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Black and white flag : Comments

By Junaid Cheema, published 17/12/2014

Our way of life is under attack there is very little doubt about that, but by whom?

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WISH !

"Life of my life, I shall ever try to keep my body pure, knowing that thy living touch is upon all my limbs.

I shall ever try to keep all untruths out from my thoughts, knowing that thou art that truth which has kindled the light of reason in my mind.

I shall ever try to drive all evils away from my heart and keep my love in flower, knowing that thou hast thy seat in the inmost shrine of my heart.

And it shall be my endeavour to reveal thee in my actions, knowing it is thy power gives me strength to act."

{Rabindernath Tagore: GitanjaliI (Song Offerings)}

May we all find the truth, that human soul seeks and may we embrace it, amen.
Posted by McAdam, Wednesday, 18 February 2015 12:44:48 PM
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Tell me McAdam, is it OK to execute homosexuals and serial fornicators?

Does the Koran not say that this is what should be done to such 'offenders'?

If it does not say this then kindly point out what it does say about them.
Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 19 February 2015 8:26:04 PM
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Is Mise,
"Do you think that it is OK to kill homosexuals and serial fornicators??"

This is the question you have repeated a number of times on this thread. Although your question lacked specific details, yet I answered it comprehensively spanning four posts on 4 February.
I had said in my answer that crimes and punishments were people and area specific and it was for the people themselves to frame the laws that govern their lives. I was no body to dictate to other people, as to what punishment they should award for what crime.

You repeated your question on 8 February by stating; "Is it all right to kill homosexuals and serial fornicators? Reading the Koran it seems that it is permissible, even encouraged, so do you as Muslims support the Koran in this or not?"

I answered the same day, pointing out your ridiculousness, for repeating this senseless statement after a comprehensive answer.

You again asked the same question on 11 February, insisting on the specifics and quoted Australia where these things were not crime.
I reminded you again, on the same day that crimes and punishment were area and people specific and wrote "Tell me the place and we will proceed from there."

No answer ever came from your side.

You wrote on 13 February "We have reached "B&W 101", which might be an appropriate place to leave it"

Now again you have resurfaced on 19 February night, with the following "specific" question; "Tell me McAdam, is it OK to execute homosexuals and serial fornicators?Does the Koran not say that this is what should be done to such 'offenders'?If it does not say this then kindly point out what it does say about them."

Is Mise, I have done my best to respond to your quarry, but you are bent upon this being brought on the permanent record of this post that you are void of sense. I have dug out the chronology, for any reader to see, on one page, what you really stand for.

Continued...
Posted by McAdam, Friday, 20 February 2015 4:43:36 AM
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Continues:-

Now let us be specific, if you want me to be specific, so must you too be.

1.Tell me, how is this question relevant to the topic of this Forum? The topic is that the whole community should not be put on the spot for the crime of an individual. Where do you stand on this?
Are you with the haters, who incite hatred against the entire 1.6 Billion Muslims and their religion and thereby encourage senseless inhuman crimes committed by the likes of Hicks? Tell me, take a stand, be specific. Are you for hatred or sanity?

2. You want me to be specific, while you yourself are so vague. You even do not know what injunction of Quran lays down the alleged death punishment for these crimes.
You are asking a question, based on your allegation that Quran directs putting such people to death.....that you so persistently and so shamelessly ....and so carelessly have repeated on this Forum....drumming to every one that Quran directs putting people to death for these crime. Is the onus not on you to quote the alleged passage of Quran, before asking explanation of Muslims?
Quote the passage of Quran that directs death punishment for these crimes or apologize from the Forum for misguiding them and for telling lies about Quran.

3. You are asking me to tell you what the Quranic injunctions on the subject are. What? You do not know? You repeated the question umpteen times, with out first doing the spade work to ascertain what Quran really says? Is it not the responsibility of the person to have his/her facts straight, first? Aren't you guilty of wasting every body's time on a question based on untruth? Should you not apologize from the Forum for wasting their time?

Continued....
Posted by McAdam, Friday, 20 February 2015 4:58:14 AM
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Continues:-

4. You are calling explanation of Muslims; who are you?
Identify your faith first, so that you can be given the answer accordingly.

5. You ask a dual and confused question. You raise a question if it was right to give such and such punishment for such and such crime, without specifying the area and people for whom the legislation was intended. You raise the penal question totally oblivious of the basic requirement that there can not be any jurisprudence without jurisdiction. This point, I have repeated a number of times but you fail to grasp this basic fact of jurisprudence, yet keep repeating a legal question. Are you not nuts?
Should you not be ashamed of hindering the dialogue with your senseless waffling and for not putting in the requisite legwork essential for framing a logical question?

6. On1 January, you addressed me as "Son of Adam" and I replied the same day; "Thank you for addressing me as Son of Adam, as that is what I am....and am conscious that I am talking to an other son or daughter of the same father.".

Tell me where do you stand on this; are you talking to a fellow human being with equal status and rights?

Please answer these six specific questions first.

If you attempted to address me on the subject before answering these questions, I'll ignore and leave your post for those who may have time to waste.

Good luck

Concluded
Posted by McAdam, Friday, 20 February 2015 5:08:41 AM
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" On1 January, you addressed me as "Son of Adam" and I replied the same day; "Thank you for addressing me as Son of Adam, as that is what I am....and am conscious that I am talking to an other son or daughter of the same father.".

Don't get carried away with yourself!

'Mc' is the abbreviated form of 'Mac' which is Gaelic for 'the son of', a notable McAdam invented what are commonly called 'Tar Roads', that is 'Macadamized',the well known rain coat, or 'Macintosh'was another Scottish invention by one MacIntosh.

Ye're in guid comp'ny laddie.
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 20 February 2015 8:10:35 PM
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