SPQR,

You resorted to your main strategy of misquoting Quran in your very first post of this thread (30 July 9:02 am). Your associates joined with their strategy of fabricating translation which one does not find in Quran. This is what prompted reference to credible sources.

While it is absolutely clear that a reasoned discussion with you and your associates is impossible, I took this opportunity (and plan to continue it) to present to the interested readers some credible references to explore the facts for themselves.

On your two associates, one is addressing me in his recent posts. Please let him know that from the language he used with others and the nature of baseless material that he keeps filling his posts with, I see no point in responding to him. However, with you I will proceed as I have noted above.

On the credible references, I introduced Karen Armstrong and you bring forth, doctored stuff on Utube, material from hate-sites and Wikipedia.

I don’t regard Wikipedia as a hate-site as such. But it is not a source that can be quoted on contentious issues, let alone the research topics.

You take your references including Wikipedia against a source like Karen Armstrong to a discussion forum attended by researchers, scholars and intellectuals, I assure you that they will throw your references out window, of course, along with you.

On Karen Armstrong, her secular outlook may not be fully agreeable for many Muslims. But that is not the point. The point is that her rational approach thoroughly documented with top research (dozens of western sources) in the field totally counts out pure hate stuff that you and your associates fabricate and regurgitate

1. Who were the original inventors of ‘terrorism’ as we know it in the modern world? *hint*, Zio..?

Mohammed & his brothers. They were Camel train robbing thieves who turned their attention to Arab villages.


2. How many Palestinians were killed or uprooted from their villages due to Zionist terrorism BEFORE the 1948 War?

About 10th. of what was killed or uprooted by Islamic Terrorists after the year 630AD Christian Calender or year 0 Islamic Calender.

3. How do you compare Nazi concept of ‘Master Race’ to the Zionist belief of ‘chosen people’ who are superior to rest of the humanity?

The German Master race was Arian. The Nazi were a particually bad Political Party with some bad ideas. The Isreaeli's say they Gods Chosen People as recorded in their Torah. They don't say they are superior to the rest of Humanity.


4. What did White South Africa have in common with Israel? (*hint* Ap..t..eid)

The separation is self inflicted. No good Muslim would be seen with a Jew. The walls have gone up as protection from the terrorism from Muslims.

5. How many Palestinian villages and towns have been wiped off from the map to make way for Jewish Settlements?

Have no idea but real estate gets developed everywhere. If Muslims would behave themselves & live in Harmony with the Israeli they could share in the wealth.

6. What was the size of the Palestinian territory before the 1948 war and what is it now?

Until the British Mandation on the 25 Apr 1920 until The UN created the State of Israel on the 14 May 1948 it was approximately 31Sq. Kilometres.

7. Which “country” in the Middle East has been created in the NAME of RELIGION? (*yet it shamelessly accuses and blames other people’s religion for the conflict?*)

All of them.
cont.

NC,

<< misquoting [THE] Quran>>
You are getting your nickers in a knot over trivialities
Let McAdams show you how misquoting is done—heeeeere he goes:
<<Where is this debate drifting to? [note well he is referring to this thread]…
some are saying outright that Muslims in general and Palestinians in particular are subhuman and therefore are a fair game…
This argument that Muslims ...deserve to be exterminated…>>
You see-- that is misquoting!
PRETTY INFLAMMATORY STUFF,EH!

And McAdams is so practiced at it too: no apology –no retraction –no shame!

As for you saying : << I see no point in responding [one of your associates] yada yada yada >>
I am sure he will consider that a blessing!

And don't pussy foot around with half truths like this: <<I don’t regard Wikipedia as a hate-site as such. But it is not a source that can be quoted on contentious issues, let alone the research topics.>>
Let’s be blunt. You don’t regard ANY --repeat, ANY SITE -- that exposes the unsavoury side of Islam as credible.

<< Karen Armstrong yada yada yada …>>
Again. Let’s be blunt you cling to Karen Armstrong because she is one of the few who will give you a good rating .

You are a pretender NC –and a bad one at that.

cont.

8. You have to have the certain superior Zionist gene in your bloodline to automatically ‘qualify’ for citizenship of which country?

I have no idea.

9. How much do you get paid to move to Israel if you are a Jew?

I have no idea

10. How much burning phosphorus is poured over you for demanding the right to return to your homeland if you are a Palestinian?

I could say. Not nealy enough, but that would be nasty so I wouldn't do that. What a stupid question. Mentality 0.

11. “the old will die and the young will forget” <- Which ‘great’ Zionist said this about how the world will just forget Palestine?

I have no idea. As Palestine only existed for 28 years I suppose he's right.

12. How many Palestinian children have been mercilessly slaughtered in the latest round of Israeli aggression?

Around 400 that were held in compounds as human shields along with Hamas's Rockets & Mortars after they were warned to move.

13. Why do you have to steal Australian passports to murder Palestinians?

Because they were Terrorists & needed to be killed before they murdered innocent women & children.

14. (Please this is important I asked before but you haven’t answered) How much did it cost to go through the Conscience-bypass surgery and become whatever it is you are?

Why nothing at all. It came from conversing with the likes of Islamic nutters, such as yourself & your terrorists friends.

Gee that was an easy Quiz. Now I have obliged you, how about answering mine.

Dear LEGO, you wrote on 11 August; "And I have not tried to fabricate the Koran at all. I quoted from internet sites"

I agree that this must have been the case, but dear LEGO, this does not absolve you of the responsibility. Now it is of peddling the fabrication; apology is still in order.

We all make mistakes. It is the action after committing mistakes that distinguishes people. Some cling on to, or try to cover up and the honorable ones take responsibility and apologize.
Let us see which corse you choose.

Best regards

A correction first. My last post last line,it is course not corse, thanks.

I am being accused of misquoting. ( "Let McAdams show you how misquoting is done—heeeeere he goes; some are saying outright that Muslims in general and Palestinians in particular are subhuman and therefore are a fair game…" )


I could have erred. I do make mistakes at times, as I already have in typos. Please help me see my mistake and I am ready to accept.

I had said so, based on the following statements of LEGO;

1)"Everybody looks down on other groups of people. It is a cultural universal......

2) "It is also a cultural universal that every nation at war with another usually depicts the enemy as sub human...."

And again in his post of 3 August he wrote "How is it possible?". asks Mr Cheema, "that the Palestinians provoked Israel?""Well, I will tell you how. " And then he lists all the evils in them that make them deserving of the treatment they are getting.

And please see the hate against Islam and a Muslims noted in this thread.

And then I found, these statements in line with the subhuman and in fact inhuman treatment being meted out to Palestinians in Gaza.

If I misquoted, please tell me that you treat Palestinians as equal human beings; deserving to be treated like the Israelis themselves and there are no "Israeli roads" and "Palestinian roads", there are no separate laws for Israelis and Palestinians and there is no apartheid going on. And please tell that to Jimmy Carter too, who wrote Palestine: Peace not Apartheid.

Please tell me in words which must be in line with actions on ground and I will apologize from the whole forum for my "misquote."

I wrote what I honestly thought was the case but I hope and pray that I was wrong; please tell me that I misquoted.

Best regards