Hello Belly

It seems a simple sorry

Is that sorry for hiding a peadophile
Is that sorry for hiding sexual assualts and physical assualts

I dont think so.

Labor saying sorry Belly.
The unions support labor do they not.
If somebody supports or hides people like labor are they not an accomplace.

Nowing but not standing up for the workers and their families or is it the families of workers do not count.

With regards to PALE how about you try something right, ask them the questions that need to be answered.

How will you save jobs. Never seen this question before

How will this serve communities to get the meat works up and running again.

These are questions you should be asking Belly and others.

Not some pathetic kangaroo court to get your own back, as pale have said something you didnt like.

Belly you call yourself a union man well start acting like one and stand up for you workers and their families.
Ask the real questions, supply the real answers.

I had tried asking Greg Combet some real questions but his only aswer was walking away and sending out the heavies.

Oh and another thing

Have a nice day.

Stuart Ulrich
Independent Candidate for Charlton

PALE plenty in that post but the only way for this to stop is for us of us to actually stop.

If you really want this to continue let me know but for the most part I think pretty much everything I would write in response to your post has already been said.

I'll leave it be at that.

R0bert

Belly.

Pale mentioned Federal and x Federal leaders because it’s public knowledge
We have had an association with them for years. You can see them on our web site and visa versa.
Rudds not worried about skilled workers being underpaid belly!

They are breaking their necks to come given they are paid far more!

If Howard and Rudd were serious about protecting overseas workers wages and conditions why just meat workers?

I think Taps suggestion about working to find solutions instead of flying off the handle is a good one.
It is a uniquely tricky industry full of scoundrels and very savvy people with no moral standards
I am sure I could never debate you on your job I wouldn’t have a clue but please believe me we know about live exports.
What has made it difficult is you for some reason take it personally when we highlight our thoughts on labour.
Without even realising it you have been unfair complaing about pale commenting in the ALP China thread. I think you actually believed we came in there just to have a dig at you.
I hope you` now understand `that is not the case.

Pale have bigger fish to fry and I will make no bones that Howard, Rudd and the Nationals have betrayed our farmers and the Australian people.
A dramatic urgent reassessment of Australian live Export is needed.
Australia requires a strong honourable far sighted and brave political leader
.
Not just one but many.

A party that will stand up to the powerful lobbies of vested interests.
There is plenty of evidence of market distortions, in particular in tariffs.

There are barriers in non transparent subsides.

Even the live exporters themselves agree the value of the trade is not the product itself but market distortion in tariff and non tariff barriers.

Pale wishes you happines.

We wish work without people taking it personally.

We say to Howard and Rudd

Not Good Enough!

And so it ends, as I said in my last post in the thread that rebuts this one this is my last post in this thread.
Strangely while the thread did not seem to get a conclusion it indeed did!
The evidence that the questions posed here had substance is in pales posts, every one of them.
Just go back to the start read every post, see me at times get a little bit out of my skin.
But while most of us understand the term shouting, here we have learned about screaming, full on blind miss directed rage.
Refusal to even begin to see other have a right to contrary views.
From sugar sweet near crawling to some of us only to see those feelings reversed to open uncontrolled rage.
I like every one can be wrong, but it is my view we are in this thread and the other debating a tag team from pale under that banner.
This may not be against forum rules but it should be , how can we settle issues if we do not even know who we are talking to?
I will not now or ever converse with those posting as pale.
It is clearly a one sided conversation and not worth the effort
Regards all

Tapp
Thank you for your sensible suggestion.
Perhaps we can open a thread to post ideas for alternatives to the cruel Live Exports Trade.
Until this is sorted I fear there is little point because they will disrupt that thread as well.

TAPP to this alligation pale has misused forum rules pale would appreciate your sticking on this thread.

We agree with belly we can not discuss allegations of child abuse here. Roberts’s hard efforts will be lost.
Pale is keen to clear those allegations.
Let’s not cross purpose this thread because it will be shut down by OLO staff.

Pale will participate in your other thread.
One of the helpers has some knowledge of past QLD Enquires...

To be fair I am not sure belly would know much about the matter you raised.

Why not open a thread asks Mr Rudd. Just a suggestion. ?

Also Tap - `We don’t see belly’s post above being an apology. Is it belly?

We thought it was at first. We even wrote a little poem about a union bloke called belly we thought he would like.
It was pales way of saying – No hard feeling belly.

Then after a re read some thought it seemed to be at crack at their mental health which has been raised before.

So please tell us belly was that I’m sorry? Because judging by your posts on the other thread we are not getting that message.

There have been many claims that pale have miss used the forum rules.

Pale has never done so knowingly but there was some confusion which Graham Young sorted that out eighteen months ago.
Pale has a motto
There is nothing wrong with a person bar their intention

So if the intention for opening this thread about pale was for good

I am sure that will be displayed here.

I am sure Robert will stay in his own thread to assist pale as he has pointed out `that was – his intention.`

David Boaz We thank You for your good `intentions.`

PALE, can you make up your mind please. In one post you have made it clear that PALE has considered the suggestions made and rejected them and that further continuation of the matter will be considered harrassment and now you seem to want selected portions of the discussion kept going because they are convenient to you.

As you said elsewhere you know that you can't have your cake and eat it too.

I've said that I'm happy to discontinue this discussion. Continued picking at me because I'm not all upset at other posters for giving you some of your own back is hardly going to carry much weight.

I'd suggest that if you don't want this to continue that you stop trying to have it continue. I have no interest in taking other posters to task for giving you a hard time at the moment because of your recent posting behaviour. Live by the sword, die by the sword as they say.

R0bert