SPANKY/Gday
Please allow me to answer bellys questions- `in part`.
belly said
"Have you ever asked why an animal rights group would post such as red China and the ALP?"

PALE replies
Your utter stupidity and ignorance never fails to amaze me.
Not only pale but all Animal Welfare groups oppose the Live Animal Exports from Australia.
Do you know what exports are belly? China is taking enourmous amounts of our Animals Alive! - and you come in here and make a complete fool of yourself " yet Again" and ask what China has to do with the ALP.?
Do you know what trade tariffs are belly?
The cruel Live Export Trade To China is economic dead end for Australia.

ALP Labour AMIEU strongly opposes the trade which sends our animals off to unbeliable cruelties and raw materials and jobs along with it.

Here are belly Read some of the labour unions comments on export of live animals to China and elsewhere.

http://wa.amieu.asn.au/pages.php?recid=52
I strongly encourage you to read what other ALPunion blokes have been doing for years!- Which is to stand shoulder to shoulder with dozens of Animal Welfare groups holding rallies and protests about live exports.
Now I understand your problem. You really are that ignorant about politics arn`t you? Most kids know that China take live animals along with some others such as ME.[ Thats the midle East] to you belly.
China live exports are our AMIEU jobs to the slaughter. China Exports of Live Animals is eroding the foundation of value adding and other Industries.

I am clearly waisting my time if I have to explain what the connection is with China and ALP.
Only as fool would waiste any more time with your emabarresing rants.
We have some good buddies in AMIEU Unions belly. They would be horrified to see you trying to stop any animal groups from protesting live exports to China or Anywhere else.

Kevin Rudd would have a "fit if he saw your ignorance under the name of ALP Union."!

Over to you Spanky.

Belly, Belly, Belly,....
When, if ever, are you going to learn, you have just gone and done the exact of what I was talking about, you seem to be p*ssed off with everyone! Remember when I said "read it, take it in and then dump it"...Well...er... cheers!

ok SPANKY fair cop I may have gone of half cocked at you, but please understand I am no old bloke no little old fella.
My attempts believe it or not to help pale get control are real.
And the sometimes idiotic slings are not debate but aimed to insult, do I understand exports?
And I am expected to fall on the floor in raptures that the meat industry workers union talks to pale?
Yesterday the person posting here as pale, I sat at a table with a left wing warrior from that union Kath is nothing less than a warrior and a legend.
We do not share many views, she from the left me from the right of Labor/Union politics.
She highlighted the criminal actions of meat industry owners and this government in killing places all over Australia.
I felt proud of her passion, it is the common fuel unionist use.
I shared her view here on miss use of imported labour.
I do not share the view meat exports can ever totally replace live exports, I wounder why we never hear about the awful sight of watching cattle wait in line to die by any means at these killing houses?
I know they know as they wait and see the fear.
Pale in your thread ,not this one I offer you a way out of this large hole, think about it.
Forgive me this, I try so hard for so long to resolve issues but long ago I past my point of no return only extraordinary acts of repentance can convince me your group wants an end to this insulting diatribe.
It is pale, no one else who can stop this.

Belly
Thanks for the conformation that you are trying to stop pale speaking out about the cruelty of live exports.
http://www.halakindmeats.com/

Your concern for mis use of skilled labour coming into Australia is some what questionable.

Considering the Meat trade is the ONLY trade not allowed to bring in skilled workers it should be clear to even you they are being targetted.

There are thousands of other skilled workers enerting the country just in case you had not noticed.
When Saudi Arabia ban on exports came into place some years ago the exports of chilled meat carasses more than tripled.

That is just one significant examplethat destroys the argument that we cant keep our own jobs here.

The debete over the barbaric live Animal Export trade on Australian ground is very one sided, fuled by the lobbysists for the trade.
Trade unions have consistently raised a more critical perspective of live exports.

The ALP Unions have also pointed out over the years the the closure of local abattoirs and the subseqeuent sacking of hundred and hundreds of employees have sent many a working man to the wall .

If we were simply concerned to selling the raw material to the highest bidder then live exports would deserve full support.

However the RSPCA and other Animal Welfare organisations both in Australia and world wide have long spoken out about the barbaric treatment of our Australian farm animals which benefits just a few.

The ALP Trade Unions AMIEU however have pointed out for years that the focus should be on
* Promoting value - adding opportunities within Australia.
* Increasing levels ofemployment , particually within regional areas
* Maximing the number of parties participating and benefiting from value adding.

Beyond the Umbrella and from behind the veil of the cruel live animal export trade of the industry`s protection and self promotion "lies a very different picture."

Whatever you choose to do be assured you will not control block pale from supporting of the AMIUE and RSPCA.

Apart from what has become normal for pale, the deliberate lie that I am trying to stop pale the post was ok.
It should however be noted the meat employees union yesterday addressed a group I was part of.
Very concerning claims made by that union, ones I believe, are that while skilled workers came in from over seas they in fact filled laboring jobs, not skilled.
The little warrior from that union told of up to 6 people being placed in one house AND EACH CHARGED THE FULL RENTAL eg rent to employers was $250 for house employer charged each person? full amount!
As is my right I sickened by lies threats and just plain rudeness from some in the apparently large group posting as pale.
Will not again EVER answer that groups posts or insults , my opinion of the group is sadly fixed forever ,just not worth hearing or talking to.

Belly
You come across as the victim accusing our organisation of making insults to you!
Thats rich.
belly said-
can we take the group known as pale on face value?
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 8 September 2007 6:20:32 PM
PALE REPLIES
Sure we can belly- Your own words>

your age and lack of education,or just the view of a very bitter old lady? miss spell posts are always worth a read.
Is it pale the group[ all 3 of you]or this poster who is so out of touch with Australia?
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 8 September 2007 6:15:59 PM
I AM A PAID TRADE UNION OFFICIAL.
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 8 September 2007 6:15:59 PM

Now that said I will not try to explain everything about live exports to you.
Its nice you went to a meeeting but unlike some that follow like sheep others sit down and do the research.
Its as I said "more than questionable" that "only meat workers "have been stopped from entering this country. No concern for others!

Even you should know we have thousands in all sorts of industries being brought to Australia.
If you look at our Web page you will see not one but two top AMIEU X Federal leaders.

One who was the Federal Leader of the AMIEU and involved for thirty five years and hes an advisor to us!.

Scroll down and you will see Ross Richerson sitting with myself and others. Hes the big tall bloke on the left.
http://www.halakindmeats.com/
Russle Carr took over as Federal Leader from there- Take a look at the petition on their web site Belly. Its PALES petition!
http://www.amieu.asn.au/

Sure we know certain people were told to "back off live exports-" but your little guys at meeting are being lied to and conned
We will debate Rudd anytime he likes.
I keep telling you we are not the enermy of ALP AMIEU People but friends!