To you maybe David but you have more than once offered to come to my rescue from stand over people , if you knew you would not bother while I never started a fight in my life I never walked away from one.
I am out of bed and here because I feel hurt more than you can believe.
Do me this favor, it will be a long task but worth while, find the list of my posts read the last say 50.
Find pales do the same, note please the post that says Kempsy is his/her birth place, and the one claiming Germany is.
Read ROberts last 50 note RObert is a conservative supporter.
Find any insults aimed at the cooperate image of pale, find anything other than questions about who we are talking to and apparent needless rudeness.
Understand the impact of lies given to pale by a poster who has not posted from this threads beginning, read why I regard it as a low act.
Yes some may think the thread is fun.
Its intent was never to see pale tear its self to pieces not to hurt pale.
But we must except it will unless some one with in that group sits them down and talks about focus on animal welfare.
About maybe a pale team signing in as pale one two three ext.
And just maybe a note that a post is the personal view of that member not pale the group if it is so.
Another thread has started build on? what is it built on? how can it be so far from reality ? truth? or animal welfare.

Whoever is posting as PALE has again posted regarding an imagined romance between myself and V.Amberlee.

An outright lie. Regardless of other considerations (personal preference, other relationships etc) we live on opposite sides of the world and have children and ex's. An aspect of parenting which I think we were both clear about in posts on the Beautiful Tears thread.

I take my responsibilities to my son seriously and try and think ahead. I would not consider beginning a romantic envolvement with someone where it was clear that if the relationship progressed it would require wrong doing to grow that relationship.

I believe it is wrong to remove children from regular contact with any parent who has a viable level of involvement in their lives and who poses no genuine safety risk to those children (sufficient to have the children removed from their care by the authorities).

Starting a relationship with someone where the only viable long term path for the growth of the relationship would cause children to loose contact with a parent would in my view be seriously wrong. When a consequence of an choice is so clear it's a lot easier to not start than to try and deal with the harm later.

I am also to have women as friends without the expectation that every cross gender friendship has to be based on a romantic relationship.

R0bert

It appears that questions have been answered at least in part on another thread.

"However unlike others pale has no political agenda and is totally dedicated to improving conditions for Animals."

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=959#17863

If I read that correctly it would suggest that the various political threads opened and commented on under PALE's name are in fact the personal views of the person using that name and not official statements by that organisation. Hence there is no basis to assume that critical responses to posts expressed under that banner are criticism of the organisation unless specifically stated to be so.

As the poster says in that same post "We know you cant have your cake and eat it too."

Now if we can just find an answer regarding the organisations official position on statements made under the banner of PALE about private individuals mental health, relationship status etc.

For the record all views posted under the username R0bert represent my own views and not those of any organisation I may be associated with.

R0bert

Ginx, well said on the tip thread.

I've chosen to mostly stay out of there as the name suggests a place lower than the gutter and the terms of reference seem too much like what we expect of governments (write them so that the government which started the inquiry cannot be investigated or implicated in the findings).

I'm surprised by the ongoing claim that some of us are trying to hurt the organisation PALE. If I had a desire to do that RSPCA would not be first port of call but rather those who would benefit by seeing this behaviour under PALE's name come to public attention. Whilst I have some personal concerns about how the organisation is run (allowing their name to be used as it is on these forums) I'd rather not see actions occur which harm what PALE claims to be trying to do. I've tried to suggest alternatives which isolate the organisation PALE from the personal viewpoints and behaviors of one member.

I've also tried to isolate the discussion over issues which concern me to as small a footprint as possible while still having the discussion.

My impression is that Wendy genuinely cared about what she was doing, disagreements she and I have had don't take away from that. I wonder if others at PALE really understand what the person posting in their name is saying under their banner on these threads.

Belly, sorry I didn't pick up on one of your earlier posts. I'm personally sorry to read how much you are hurting from what has been said about you. Whilst we may have differing views on some issues (especially politics) I value your interest in truth and fairness and your keeness to understand opposing viewpoints. I hope that you come out stronger as a result.

R0bert

Belly, it is awesome when we can hold differeing opinions without thinking less of the other party for doing so. Sometimes it's different means to the same end.

Another claim has been made about me at the tip. http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=1022#17981

"The reason is when pale first joined OLO Robert, PF,and others launched a complaint that pale was using multiple IDs and people which he claimed was a breach of OLO rules"

I don't recall being a part of any complaint to OLO about that issue. I may have suggested deletion of posts after users had been banned from the site and were showing up again under differing usernames. I don't recall if that involved anyone associated with PALE or not. My only concern with multiple ID's would be if one individual was using them to circumvent posting limits. Different people within the same organisation having different ID's is what I would expect to happen.

Graham if you are monitoring this thread please feel free to comment on my involvement or otherwise if you have that history available. I can't reference material to rebutt the latest allegation (although clear rebuttal of a number of other allegations has had no impact on whoever uses the PALE name anyway).

R0bert

Hey Belly.. sorry mate if I seemed to make light of this.. didn't realize you were feeling hurt about it....apologies.

I confess..I didn't read all the posts real close..I saw it just spiralling into a bit of a difficult mode.. what I mean't by a hoot..was that its great to see people interacting passionately.. I was not aware that feelings were really being injured here..
I thought it was just letting off steam.

Take care.
see on you the 'Is there a God' thread :)