Is Mise: "My God, were we ever that silly or stupid"

Yes, we were!!

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G'day there JAYB & IS MISE...

'...My God were we ever that silly or stupid...'? Indeed we were. And I for one, wouldn't have it any other way! Today's generation has sadly missed out on all those adventures, escapades or experiences. All of which we managed to successfully involve ourselves, without the need to call upon the precepts of this damnable 'politically correctness' nonsense, and other strange belief regimens, that we're all arbitrarily subservient to?

And another contributor said herein,'...violence is frequently a response to frustration...'?

So very true. You go to a job, hearing the shouting, insults and swearing as you approach the front door, and see the perpetrator utterly off his head. With bulging eyes, spittle down his chin, reeking of booze. And the lady of the house, frequently cowing, but still delivering these 'well aimed vocal barbs', making the bloke even worse, to the point he can't even string two words together, he's so angry, as he tell us (police) to, &%#@*& off.

To defuse - you separate the two main adversaries, as far (physically) apart as humanly possible - preferable out of sight and earshot - then you can commence to untangle what's actually happened.

In my humble opinion, I've found in serious, non-violent domestic feuds, women are far better able to 'vocally tear down' a mans argument, than men are, able to respond in kind. Whereas the male will often lose his temper, out of sheer 'frustration', unable as he is, to effectively vocalise his side of the argument, as well as the woman can!

When all words fail, an enraged male (and for some women as well), will resort, to only what it is, that he knows. It's so very true; Frustration = Violence.

Many people have rightfully discussed the importance of free choice. However, as the saying goes, free choice is an illusion.
Few of us believe that some Muslim women freely enter abusive relationships. We have no trouble identifying the cultural pressures that strongly influence the decision to accept these marriages, because few posters are from the same cultural groups. We have more trouble identifying the pressures that lead people to box or participate in bdsm, because they are a part of our culture.

o sung wu,

As guests for a wedding and some other family functions, we stayed in quite a nice apartment block for a few nights at a time over several weeks. Unfortunately the midnight to 1.00am silence was rent a number of times by woman whose angry jealousy (possibly warranted, who knows or cares?) caused her to regularly accuse, berate and abuse her partner, usually for something suspected.

For example, he was not accountable for an hour while they were out somewhere. The wailing and angry accusations were sometimes accompanied by the sound of items hitting hard surfaces. He was locked out (second floor) on one occasion and may have climbed down to spend the night elsewhere.

I have the impression that some women and men are prone to find trouble and 'thrive' on it. The sorry SOBs seem to need the drama and the release they get from it. I don't know what the answers are, but accountability has to be placed on all parties and referral for treatment/counselling, while ensuring that any real violence (threats and actual harm) results in charges where warranted.

I am not convinced that some offenders will ever be deterred from causing violence to others. They are also likely to be indulging in other antisocial acts, such as theft, serious traffic infringements and so on. They are not victims of society and they did not always start out mad in the psychiatric sense. They are usually gutless. If it weren't for police they would be killing people in the street.

I cannot imagine why the self-styled 'bleeding hearts' have sympathy for them, but they do. How does anyone explain that? Or understand why women team up with known thugs and n'er do wells, even marrying murderers in gaol?

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Graham wrote :

« If Australians are really serious about this violence, then they need to persuade these women that they shouldn't submit »

Unfortunately, it’s not quite that simple. The latest “Violence against women in Australia Report” explains why :

« Women leaving (or attempting to leave) violent relationships are vulnerable to increased violence. Some researchers argue that violent male intimate partners can perceive separation as loss of control and become more aggressive as a result (State of Victoria 2016). For women who have lived with male intimate partner violence, that violence can persist – and even escalate – beyond the final separation. For some women, the violence can end in murder (State of Victoria 2016).

According to current population estimates:

• 731,900 women in Australia have experienced violence by a male previous cohabiting partner

• for almost one-quarter (24%) of the women who experienced violence by a male cohabiting partner they are no longer in a relationship with, the violence increased after their final separation (Cox 2015)

• Violence against women costs Australia $21.7 billion a year (PwC et al. 2015).

• In Australia, male intimate partner violence contributes more to the disease burden for women aged 18 to 44 years than any other well-known risk factor like tobacco use, high cholesterol or use of illicit drugs (Webster 2016) »

The report may be downloaded on the following link :

http://www.vichealth.vic.gov.au/media-and-resources/publications/violence-against-women-in-australia-research-summary

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Hi there LEOJ...

All valid reasons why police detest responding to 'Domestics'. There's no right nor wrong. Like chronic illicit drug use, you cannot 'arrest' the scourge of drugs out of society. Likewise Domestic Violence. When you turn up at a job, and see and hear that Mum's full of piss and bad manners, and Dads even worse, what in hells name are you to do? You can't very well reason with them. Nor does 'The Majesty' of your police uniform impress them very much? Police aren't referees, nor arbiters of right or wrong, neither are they Marriage Guidance Counsellors. None of these. Their sole function is to preserve the Queen's Peace, or if you like; keep the public peace, nothing more.

You also stated inter alia '...if it weren't for police they'd be killing people in the street...'? Also happens, some Domestic Violence occurs 'on the move' as it were. A couple having a violent altercation, while returning home or going to some destination, and a good Samaritan intercedes on behalf of the female victim. He himself receives a pretty decent kicking, occasionally to the point of fatality, because the offender should mind his own business, it's between the two spouses, in the mind of the offender.

FOI LEOJ, that's why police generally recommend you do NOT involve yourself in such situations, but immediately seek help? Believe it or not, it's been my experience in similar circumstances, I've found an adult female is 'usually' better 'received' (by the offender) at defusing such situations? Don't quote me, otherwise I'll need to resort to my 'Sergeant SCHULTZ' persona? Thank you for a realistic appraisal of one of society's most difficult crimes.