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What's the difference between beating your Islamic wife and boxing, or BDSM, for that matter?
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Posted by Philip S, Thursday, 13 April 2017 7:23:47 PM
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Women can be fundamentalists too and they can model and teach fundamentalism in the home. Catholicism and Islam are similar in a number of respects, differing in degree of course. Examples, could be the one just given, that while men are the obvious leaders and beneficiaries up-front, women are the strength in the home and encourage religious observation and ritual. The women also derive benefits such as predictability, avoidance of freedom and the headaches and accountabilities freedom brings, not being required to take part in dangerous activities required by society, for instance being having to put the body and all else on the line in dangerous and dirty occupations and in war.
Muslim women keep telling Australians and the West that they want Islam, the Koran and Sharia law and they do wear the uniforms for instance to make their commitment obvious. They let their walking do the talking. Some like Yassmin Abdel-Magied and others already mentioned here and who also are regularly given a podium by the taxpayer-funded ABC, have plenty to say as well and put the most positive (and usually undeserved) burnish on Islam. It should be enough to recognise and understand the Islam of Muslim women fundamentalists (their male equivalents too) as the antithesis of modern Christianity and its civilising aspects and practises. The common core of most religions and certainly Christianity is the timeless philosophy of goodness and to add, the Big Three, being Goodness, Beauty and Truth. To be frank, where Muslim women are unwilling to admit and challenge abuses and treatment that will affect their own girl infants and they are deceitful and hide the obvious truth from accepting, tolerant Western societies who have welcomed them in, they should not be surprised if they are in turn asked to explain why others should bother to defend and look out for them. Posted by leoj, Thursday, 13 April 2017 8:05:48 PM
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Great topic,
In regards to boxing, football and bdsm, those all have rules, legal and/or social to ensure no one partipating is at a severe disadvantage within the exchange. Woman raised in certain Islamic households often have neither the mental, emotional or physical resources to defend themselves. They believe that their husband is allowed to beat them and for them to resist is to bring further shame to themselves and their families. Furthermore during an exchange were subconscious self preservation instincts might kick in these woman are also generally at a physical disadvantage and any instinctual dissent is likely to be met with further abuse which functions just like aversion therapy. Posted by Zeil, Thursday, 13 April 2017 8:41:54 PM
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Many be wondering then why a group of Muslim women, 'high-profile writers, academics and activists' (according to the publicly-funded SBS that gave them plenty of column space(!)), in Australia and NZ petitioned to censor and exclude Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who had to cancel her speaking tour for security fears.
Difficult questions answered frankly, Richard Dawkins 2017 -, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris & Ayaan Hirsi Ali http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3-tU4mHq_Y Posted by leoj, Thursday, 13 April 2017 9:16:04 PM
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In fact one the subject of 50 Shades of Atrocious Crap,
No offense to anyone whom liked it but... no wait what the hell dude? Moving on. I argue Anastasia can teach us a lot about why abused woman allow themselves to be abused and on the surface they do, the civilized world has rules which prohibit abuse so if a woman is abused repeatedly that must be silent consent right? If she didn't want to be abused she'd leave right? Anna when she meets Christian clearly lacks self confidence, in fact I'd argue that just about any three paragraphs in the first book can give a reader an apt understanding of how little Anna thinks of herself and this lack of self worth is already obvious in her relationship with the people around her. Her mother doesn't attend her college graduation which Anna has no problem with, Kate expects Anna to fill in for her last moment even though Anna has zero journalism experience and is clearly really uncomfortable with the idea. Before Anna and Christian meet Anna is already doing things she has no interest in for the sake of others. She doesn't think she has enough to offer as a friend or a daughter to make any demands of any of the people in her life. In essence she is already submissive to the people in her life who offer her nearly nothing in return... the saving grace here is is that they aren't domineering prats by nature. Having said that when next to nothing is the value Anna clearly places on her willingness to do everyday things that make her uncomfortable and miserable for people is it really any surprise that she willing to accept horrendous abuse from a man who also lavishes her with attention and money and even shallow possessive douchebaggery some call love. Posted by Zeil, Thursday, 13 April 2017 9:18:36 PM
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As Andrew Bolt said on 2GB tonight, the women involved were only repeating what the Koran tells them - that it is OK for Muslim men to beat their wives. So, the outrage should be directed not to this particular video or the women involved,but it should be directed to where it belongs - the Koran. The Koran is a very nasty, violent book.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 13 April 2017 9:20:07 PM
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Or blind belief in religion.
Probably why there are suicide bombers etc.
Somehow people have to be shown things are wrong, what they have been taught is not true.