We have many more typical violent attacks from criminals
and people of other cultures/religions - but these are
conveniently overlooked and are not called terrorists.

Yes, we should investigate terrorist groups and find anyone
who is involved in them.
There are criminal groups that are a problem
but all cultures have criminal groups that are a
problem. Most of these are already known to the police.

We have a mixed neighbourhood - including Muslims. They do
not cause problems in our neighbourhood. They have great
children who study hard, their kids tend to go to the library
instead of the local pub. The girls don't wear inappropriate
outfits to school. We can learn from each other, to be honest.
They are family oriented overall and their children work and
study hard and are well behaved and successful - making the
local papers as top students and sporting figures.

It seems to me that many people here are just afraid of others
who are not like them and make generalisations that are simply
wrong.

I guess there is a natural fear of what is different. But this
is the 21st Century so instead of complaining about how others
live, let us focus on how we live and what we can change to
make everyone's life better - starting with our neighbours.
Remember exclusion can be very destructive as "Self-hate
destroys, self-esteem saves."

cont'd ...

A prime example of "terrorism" prior to the Muslim
issue existed in Norther Ireland. They were Catholics
and the British branded them as "terrorists." In
Australia at that time there were thousands of Irish
Catholics - were they a problem? Central America has a
major drug trafficking problem. The government is talking
of bringing in migrants from Central America. Is that
going to be a problem? There are the Chinese triad gangs
are the Chinese a problem? I'm sure that if we pick any
ethnic group - there will be elements within each group
that can be criticised, including amongst our own -
you just need to study our own criminal history.

Still no matter what is done or said - some people will
continue to beat the same old tired drum.

IS MISE...

The Coroner's inquest into the Lindt Cafe; The Coroner wasn't there. The coppers in charge who were there, had a decision to make.

(i)An immediate 'hard entry'; * 'Hard entries' have drawn much criticism from both Coroner's and media in past Ops.;

(ii) Wait and negotiate *A sound tactic proven in past Ops., however it failed in the Lindt matter.

(iii) Wait offender out. *An existing Vicpol tactic, adopted after, criticism from the judiciary, the media, and the public. NB: It should be noted:- There had been quite a number of fatal shootings involving Vicpol leading up to this current strategy they've since adopted.

Most (tactical) police including myself, prefer the 'Hard Entry' every time, where there's a reasonable expectation of, loss of life by an innocent. That is after you've failed in your initial negotiation(s). Whereas it doesn't allow the peanut to settle in and consolidate their position.

Better to have a live hostage standing beside you at an Inquest, than you with your long white beard, hobbling along to the Coroners Court with the aid of your walking frame, because you tried to 'wait him out'. Besides, how long do you linger? Should he be served 'tea 'n bickies' during this protracted process?

There's nothing, that makes a hard, well trained and courageous police Commander, quiver like a 'girls blouse' than a packed media circus, breathing down his neck.

A footnote that says it all... Former Commissioner of Fedpol, Major General Ronald GRAY once said, '...I'd rather face down a Bn of NVA regs. than anyone from the media...'? Commissioners all of this country are terrified of adverse media (public) attention. I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever, this figured large, in the minds of the Lindt Cafe Commander(s).

In which police force did your daughter serve? And why would I take any notice of her, albeit she's probably a perfectly lovely person?

Destruction of vermin is good, your No.1 Ruger is good. I told you I had a No.1 'Tropical' Ruger in .458Win designed to take any of the 'big four'. So what's precisely your point?

o sung wu,

You bring up a further point in the lack of training in the police forces, willingness to put up with the media.
A good commander would not let them within a thousand yards of an operation, let alone inviting them in.

Why should you take note of my daughter's experiences?
Because she was at the sharp end of training police in using firearms, pistols especially, and she was thoroughly pissed off at the lack of training and the consequent lack of competency.

Is there one news report of the police denying the items that I quoted?

In a hostage situation, in a small area, an area with very hard walls, such as the Lindt Cafe; who in their right minds would go in and fire ball ammunition?

Foxy,

The only group in our society that follows a creed that condemns our type of society, is Islam.

Read a recognised translation of the Qur'an; the Saudi Embassy will give you a very handsomely produced copy for free; that's where I got my treasured copy.

Is Mise: Read a recognised translation of the Qur'an; the Saudi Embassy will give you a very handsomely produced copy for free; that's where I got my treasured copy.

She said she is too busy to even bother reading the Bible let alone the koran or any verses from the koran we post. he won't be doing that, besides, she doesn't want to know about those things because she would have to pull her head out of the sand to read them. I've taken this up with her before.