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Islamic terror in Orlando, a boost to Trump?

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Tony,

Before saying something idiotic like "Another assertion without supporting data" perhaps you would look at more than just my last post as I am not in the habit of repeating myself endlessly. Especially, considering that your opinion is entirely reference free.

The link to the article on Sydney Imams condemning homosexuality and declaring that it deserved the death penalty, and the link to the British survey which showed that only 18% of British muslims thought gay sex should legal (both naturalised and British born) shows how little western values are taken on board by muslims, compared to for example the chinese.

To disprove what I said, you are free to give examples where I am wrong such as Imams that don't think that death is an appropriate sentence for gays. I know poirot has tried and failed.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 19 June 2016 2:09:57 PM
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I wonder how Mair got a gun?
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 19 June 2016 2:55:09 PM
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It is clear from the responses in this thread that the Orlando shooting has been identified as Islamic Terrorism. there are few dissenting voices; but in the main we have swallowed the line that this is a Islamic Terrorist attack.
I would suggest that we stop swallowing the 'official' line that all of these various mass shootings around the world are a product of Islamic Terrorism. For there is an other way of looking at the evidence.
Throughout the Western World we have rising inequality - the people who feel the brunt of this are the youth and in particular youth from minority backgrounds.
In addition over the last fifty years we have effectively dismantled our mental health support network.
Thirdly the media is very good at promoting Islamic Terror - we see references to people being martyrs.
In this case of Orlando we see an immediate simplistic response. The shooter was a Muslim therefore it is a case of Islamic Terrorism end of story nothing more to be said.
It fits in with our own preconceptions and feeds our fear of a religion we do not really understand.
So why have we ignored that this was an attack on a gay night club? Any night club that serves alcohol is breaking Sharia law is it a coincidence?
The strong homophobic rhetoric that pervades american politics cannot be ignored.
It is unlikely that we will ever know his real motivation but of course it is politically convenient to label this as an act of Islamic terroism and move on.
Posted by BAYGON, Monday, 20 June 2016 9:32:45 AM
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Baygon,

I suppose you're right, the news organisations should have realised that the gunman's call to media outlets and police claiming to be acting on the behalf of ISIS, and the extremist comments and rampant homophobia that he expressed to colleagues and coworkers was simply a cry for help from a muslim man suffering from oppression, expressed in an innovative new form of interpretive dance.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 20 June 2016 10:41:13 AM
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No that is not what I am saying; I am not saying it is a cry for help; far from it. What I am saying is that the simplistic pavlovian response that this can be categorised as a terror attack blinds us to a range of possible alternative causes. When Brevic carried out his mass shooting people wanted to find out what motivated him - it did not make sense but if the perpetrator is Muslim well then we do not have to look further clearly he is a terrorist - that sort of lazy thinking is no help in coming to understanding why this happened.
Posted by BAYGON, Monday, 20 June 2016 11:03:05 AM
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yep and the doctors and others who received great education and jobs from the US were so oppressed they flew planes into the twin towers. Nothing to do with Islam of course.
Posted by runner, Monday, 20 June 2016 11:08:29 AM
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