runner,

"Oh yeah the gun laws, nothing to do with Islam. The pigheaded denial and ignorance shows why the West is stuffed. The 'rationalist' are exactly the opposite. A two year old can reason better."

Funny you should mention two year-olds...from 2015

"People are getting shot by toddlers on a weekly basis this year"

"Instead, the NRA continues to promote a response that seeks to solve gun problems with more guns, and aims to broaden the saturation of firearms in nearly every sphere of public and private life, from homes to schools to churches to bars to airports and beyond. In a country with more guns than people, it's only natural that a certain number of small children are going get their hands on an unsecured firearm, with tragic consequences."

"In 13 of the 43 total incidents, a child's self-inflicted injuries were fatal. In two other cases, another person died after being shot by a toddler: a father in Alabama, and a 1-year-old in Ohio.

In one instance, a 3-year-old managed to wound both of his parents with a single gunshot at an Albuquerque motel."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/14/people-are-getting-shot-by-toddlers-on-a-weekly-basis-this-year/

But it's not the insane availability of guns or the paranoid zeitgeist in the US that causes these outrages...no siree, it's Muslims!

otb,

"Would you rather he used a bomb..."

That's a bit sick.

What sort of question is that?

A crazed gunman (for whatever reason) gets hold of an automatic assault rifle - kills fifty - I go "ahem, who's responsible for his access?"

And otb responds with "Would you rather he used a bomb.."

Plumbing the depths, mate.

Not at all Poirot ....it is absolutely the Muslim in the gunman who killed all those gay people, not the gun! If they had stronger gun laws there like they do in Australia, the guns would be less available that were able to kill so many people by one loony gunman.

And, no other members of religious groups hate gay people in America do they (or even on this site)?
I think we can safely say that as awful as this killing has been, our friendly local fundy Christians have killed far more gay people in the US than any Muslim has, so I can't see why they have to rant and rave about Islam. Double standards.

Susie,
I think it is our right to know your evidence of fundamental Christians killing more homosexuals than Muslims in America.

Correction: weapon was an AR-15

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This from last year....

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/heres-a-map-of-all-the-mass-shootings-in-2015/

"Using data from shootingtracker.com, which is maintained by a Reddit group, we’ve updated our map that documents all the U.S. mass shootings in 2015 alone. The group defines mass shootings as incidents when at least four people are killed or wounded, including the gunman."

"According to the tracker’s data, the San Bernardino incident represents the 355th shooting this year, the Washington Post reported. The incident in San Bernardino also overshadowed another shooting in Savannah, Georgia that occurred the same day, claiming one life and injuring three others."

This also from 2015

"Oregon college shooting is 994th mass gun attack in US in three years"

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/01/obama-oregon-college-shooting-routine

"Barack Obama put words to the desperation of millions of Americans – and the despair of the rest of the world – after another mass shooting at a school in Oregon on Thursday, the latest of nearly 1,000 since his re-election in 2012.

“Somehow,” the president said, “this has become routine.

“The reporting is routine. My response here at this podium ends up being routine. The conversation in the aftermath of it,” Obama trailed off, at once frustrated and spirited at the White House. “We’ve become numb to this … We talked about this after Columbine and Blacksburg; after Tucson, after Newtown; after Aurora, after Charleston.”

America...where people have easy access to firearms - and men regularly commit mass murder.

Poirot,

This was the single worst mass shooting in US history and the biggest mass killing in the US since the 2001 9/11 attack.

Trying to paper over it as just another attack forgets that it was an Islamic inspired terrorist attack on western values.