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Islamic terror in Orlando, a boost to Trump?
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Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 19 June 2016 9:15:45 AM
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Poirot,
Your attention has already been drawn to the weaknesses of the numbers claimed by that crowd-funded 'gun control' activist site run by someone who goes by an internet nickname. It is deliberately misleading. See here, <As an apologist for Islam and purveyor of radical feminist factoids (while claiming not to be a feminist), you are shameless with your win at any cost BS. For the many who care facts, http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/04/opinion/how-many-mass-shootings-are-there-really.html?_r=2 Posted by onthebeach, Saturday, 18 June 2016 11:15:26 AM > It is usual for some of the other long squatting leftist nags on this site to keep recycling wrong information and outright porkies, despite being corrected many times by other contributors. Here is another informed assessment of that shabby site you quote, "The Mass Shooting Tracker obfuscates the variety of circumstances that give rise to gun violence in the United States — and uses that misleading data to push a political point. On Wednesday, mainstream media outlets and politicians indulged in exactly the same behavior. Whatever policy prescriptions may exist to curtail gun violence in the United States, they ought to be based on an accurate assessment of the problem, not on data slyly misinterpreted by those with partisan purposes." http://www.nationalreview.com/article/427985/media-mass-shootings-count-misleading Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 19 June 2016 9:42:11 AM
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SM,
Link us to the site where found the info. I know there is no official US govt site as for obvious reasons they don't want to upset gun manufacturers and importers - or the NRA....but other groups do the tracking relying on media and medical reports. No doubt your site for that info is as partisan and dodgy as they come. My point about Mair and guns is that he was only able to stab one other person who came to Cox's aid (terrible as that is).....imagine anyone even contemplating taking on a murderous man like Mateen while he's wielding an AR-15. Posted by Poirot, Sunday, 19 June 2016 9:42:52 AM
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Poirot, "I know there is no official US govt site as for obvious reasons they don't want to upset gun manufacturers and importers - or the NRA."
Leftist paranoia. As well, it is part of the modus operandi of leftist 'Progressives', the self-described 'Wolves in Sheep's Clothing' to lie to encourage doubts about government bodies and the well-founded, well tested, democratic institutions and checks and balances. Poirot (to Shadow Minister), "No doubt your site for that info is as partisan and dodgy as they come" Says the poster who continues to quote from a flakey site run by some anonymous internet dude. Poirot, "..imagine anyone even contemplating taking on a murderous man like Mateen while he's wielding an AR-15" It is the modus operandi of the gutter media to sensationalise to gather a dumbed down audience for their advertisers. And politicians, some cynical, and others who are numerically and logically challenged. The AR15 is all black metal and plastic with features like a carrying handle. It shoots one round at a time, no more. A conscious HUMAN decision is needed to pull the trigger on each occasion and to deliberately select the target. What the Cox murder proves is that there are always offenders who plan and carry out the most awful and disgusting crime imaginable, murder. Murder has always been unlawful and subject to strong penalties. The choice of tool to commit murders is the offender's alone. Nothing should be allowed to diminish the evil SOB's responsibility for his/her crime. Effective regulation and law enforcement must concentrate on the person. Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 19 June 2016 10:27:50 AM
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Paul,
You keep harping on about the isolated incident of the farmer/grazier Turnbull having a licenced firearm but it is part of the Greens firearm proposals that farmers be allowed to have firearms; somewhat of a double standard and ambulance chasing. Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 19 June 2016 10:42:44 AM
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P,
Collected and catalogued. https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx Better than the dodgy apologist sites to which you link. Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 19 June 2016 10:49:36 AM
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Google is a great tool, it took me 30 seconds to find the info.
The problem with guns is that it allows any idiot with a grudge to take lethal action, but what your figures left out is the bombings, knife attacks, etc.
The point that I am making is that the religious attacks around the world are predominantly muslim perpetrated, and nearly all of them find links to extremist groups, and the further problem is that the teachings of "moderate" congregations essentially teaches that a range of crimes deserve death incl homosexuality, women adulterers, heretics, those that give up Islam, blasphemy, etc, plus that beating and mistreatment of women is ok.
Essentially the "moderate" teachings of Islam differ from radical teachings by only a matter of degree.