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Islamic terror in Orlando, a boost to Trump?
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Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 25 June 2016 3:46:53 PM
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Poirot
This puts the last nail in the coffin for your theories: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/orlando-shooting-omar-mateen-gunman-celebrated-911-at-school-a7079916.html "When the Orlando massacre gunman Omar Mateen was 15 he openly rejoiced as he watched live coverage of the second plane hitting New York’s twin towers in 2001, boasting to classmates that Osama bin Laden was his uncle. As an adult he told workmates he had links to Islamic terrorists and wanted to become a martyr. He bragged about having shared acquaintances with the Tsarnaev brothers who carried out the Boston marathon bombings. The US-born Muslim was interviewed three times by the FBI for alleged extremist views. A witness told the FBI Mateen watched al-Qa’ida videos. And as the bodies of those he shot at Orlando’s Pulse nightclub lay around him, he called 911 to profess his allegiance to Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. He then wrote on Facebook: “The real Muslims will not accept the filthy ways of the West … now taste Islamic State vengeance.” Yet the Obama administration is going out of its way to censor the notion that Mateen was a radical Islamic terrorist. Barack Obama has described the Orlando shooting that killed 49 people as an act of terror and an act of hate but pointedly has avoided using the word Islamic when describing Mateen’s act of terrorism. This week, the push to suppress any connection to Islam became farcical when the FBI released a partial transcript of Mateen’s call to 911 during the shootings but edited it so that all reference to Islamic State were deleted. Mateen’s claim to have carried out the massacre in support of Islamic State was hardly a secret; it was reported on the front page of virtually every newspaper in the world." Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 26 June 2016 5:51:11 AM
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SM,
""When the Orlando massacre gunman Omar Mateen was 15 he openly rejoiced as he watched live coverage of the second plane hitting New York’s twin towers in 2001, boasting to classmates that Osama bin Laden was his uncle." Right...his uncle....(?) "As an adult he told workmates he had links to Islamic terrorists and wanted to become a martyr. He bragged about having shared acquaintances with the Tsarnaev brothers who carried out the Boston marathon bombings..." Right...acquaintances....(?) "....The US-born Muslim was interviewed three times by the FBI for alleged extremist views..." Right...but they let him go..... Mateen was a gay man indulging in a gay lifestyle...etc... Right...sounds more like he was psychologically unbalanced and craving some sort of notoriety to me. We've seen it before in all kinds of similar situations with mass murderers. Posted by Poirot, Sunday, 26 June 2016 7:23:39 AM
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But why remove references to Islam in his statements ?
To me this looks a bit strange. Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 26 June 2016 9:12:15 AM
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From the link given by SM above:
"The choice of weapons is left to individuals. Mateen got hold of assault rifles for his murders because, as we know, it is easy to do so in America. But where it is difficult, infidels could be killed using rocks, knives, clubs or even cars, advised al-Adnani. This has fallen on receptive ears. For instance, in this country [UK] last month Junead Khan, from Luton, was sentenced to 12 years in prison after being convicted of plotting to run over US airmen outside a base and then stab them to death. It has become customary for those carrying out attacks in the name of Isis to pledge allegiance to the organisation and its leader, the "Caliph" Abu-Bakr al-Baghdadi. This can be done before, during, or after an attack. Mateen pledged allegiance to Isis in a 911 telephone call from the club. Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik, the couple who carried out the attack in San Bernardino, California, last December, posted their allegiance on Facebook where it was found after the assault. Elton Simpson, who opened fire on an exhibition of cartoons about the Prophet Mohammed in May last year in Texas, sent a tweet just before he pulled the trigger." Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 26 June 2016 9:24:04 AM
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Is Mise,
"But why remove references to Islam in his statements ? To me this looks a bit strange.: Yes... But then ASIO attending every single court appearance of Monis in the year prior to his siege is also "a bit strange"....considering what unfolded after. Another seemingly unbalanced character well and truly on the radar. http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/aug/19/asio-agents-attended-all-court-dates-of-lindt-cafe-gunman-in-year-before-seige Posted by Poirot, Sunday, 26 June 2016 10:28:59 AM
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"Is Mise, are you making the argument for the banning of all guns in private hands in society? I'll vote for that. ...."
No, but I'd support the banning of all guns in society.
Being a well trained swordsman (courtesy of the late, great, Charles Stanmore) I don't really need a gun; and as an equally well trained bowman I could still kill foxes and get a bunny or a hare for the table (as I still occasionally do with my bow, just to keep the hand in).
I'm with Bob Brown on teaching Anger Management to soldiers, it's very effective against rifle and machine gun fire.