Hey Toni,
Sorry I didn't reply to your comment on the other thread, I've been having internet problems for a few days and haven't been online.

I'm not saying I support kids in bullying others.
I agree that all people should be able to live without fear of discrimination.

I've said this so many times before.
I believe in freedom and liberty for everyone, but I don't think any person should be forced to give up their freedoms and liberties so someone else can have theirs.

Therefore I don't believe ALL kids should be indoctrinated with a gay ideology just because a minority group has issue with the current status quo.

This isn't because I'm some anti-gay / pro religious nut-job, which I'm not. (Nor am I actually the most gullible man in space and time)
It's simply because I do not believe these kinds of things should be forced upon young kids or discussed at length by people other than parents.

I'm not necessarily saying I support the old system.
I'm just saying I most definitely DO NOT support the new system IF that system is indoctrination of children with a biased sexual agenda pushed onto kids who aren't ready for it because of a few kids in a minority group whom are just as likely raised by same sex parents.

If gays think that's ok, they've crossed the line and I won't support their 'idea' of equality, and it has nothing to do with hating queers.

I'm not going to go from one bad system to another.
Give me a system that works that doesn't rely on 'retraining' the minds of others in such a way that says "It's not us gays that own the problem, it's everyone else."

The second they start promoting the idea that its everyone else's fault for acknowledging they are different instead of them for actually being different that's the second they've lost me.

Poirot,

If the nutter had had a revolver why would you think that only one person would be shot?

As it was a gun free zone then he'd have had plenty of time to reload and shoot as many as he liked.

P,

Most revolvers hold 6 shots, and if Mateen had entered a gay bar with a revolver and shot 3 patrons and announced to the media that he was doing this for ISIS, it would probably be attributed to Islamic terrorism.

Is Mise,

I used one person being shot as an example.

"As it was a gun free zone then he'd have had plenty of time to reload and shoot as many as he liked."

So you're trying to tell me that other folks would just stand by and watch him reload without intervening?

My point is that without the semi-automatic firepower of the AR-15, Mateen would not have been able to shoot as many as he did.

This is why every sane person thinks that it is an islamic motivated attack.

"US gunman Omar Mateen identified himself as an Islamic soldier in calls with authorities during his rampage and demanded to a crisis negotiator that the country's army "stop bombing Syria and Iraq", according to transcripts released by the FBI.

The partial transcripts were of a 911 call made by Mateen and three conversations he had with the police crisis negotiators during the worst mass shooting in modern US history, in which 49 people died and dozens were wounded.

Those communications, along with Facebook posts and searches Mateen made around the time of the shootings, add to the public understanding of the final hours of Mateen's life and to the possible motivations behind the rampage.

The first call came more than a half-hour after shots rang out, when Mateen told a 911 operator, "Praise be to God, and prayers as well as peace be upon the prophet of God," he told the dispatcher, referring to God in Arabic.

"I let you know, I'm in Orlando and I did the shootings."

During the 50-second call with a dispatcher, Mateen "made murderous statements in a chilling, calm and deliberate manner," Ronald Hopper, FBI assistant special agent in charge in Orlando, said during a news conference."

Poirot, "So you're trying to tell me that other folks would just stand by and watch him reload without intervening?"

Yes. The public do not know how to react and mill about. That is precisely what is so dangerous where offenders choose shopping centres, night clubs and so on. Worse, the risks are magnified for police who are in a cleft stick. However intervention is usually necessary otherwise the certainty is even more casualties.

Poirot, "My point is that without the semi-automatic firepower of the AR-15, Mateen would not have been able to shoot as many as he did"

You are ignorant and that hasn't been helped by the media and others who know better, sensationalising the particular weapon to stereotype, and to hype up and entertain :( a dumbed-down audience.

A long arm and the AR15 is one, hampers the offender in closed areas and makes his cruel job harder. A 'wheel' gun, a revolver, is easy is point and use and very easily reloaded and quickly. It is harder to knock out of line and take from him/her. However there are other short arms that would be preferred.

Two things:

1. lazy tabloid hacks making their reporting easier and more commonly, making and embellishing the news rather than reporting it; and

2. media and political interests sensationalising events are encouraging copy cats and other offenders who know that the Gold Warrant way of getting the national and international media exposure they crave for themselves or their causes is to employ the tactics that have worked for others. That can come down to using a similar weapon.

It is has been long known for example, that sensationalising suicides in the media WILL result in many copycats and for a long time after (incl when the reports are reused)