My reply above was directed at Poirot.

phanto,

"....seem to enjoy taking advantage of tragedies to further their own agenda."

Hohoho...may I direct you to Shadow Minister and his agenda in starting this thread - not to mention his posts.

(And of course, the ever reliable Donald Trump)

Poirot:

That does not really tell me why you need to focus on the issues of men and masculinity as common factors in shootings of this type.It just sounds like you are trying to change the subject.

While ever large numbers of guns are in private hands within society, supposedly for legal purposes, we are not going to stop gun related murders. Just as Jo Cox was gunned down in Britain, by a right wing psychotic, Thomas Mair, we had the murder of environment officer Glen Turner by deranged farmer Ian Turnbull here in Australia, using a licensed firearm! The gun lobby and their supporters would have us believe our gun laws, as is the case with Britain's, are in someway "strict". The notion that our gun laws are strict enough to keep legal weapons out of the hands of murderers is a lie, perpetrated by the pro gun lobby as it seeks to have totally uncontrolled gun ownership in the hands of all and sundry, including the likes of Mair and Turnbull in supposedly strict gun controlling countries.
Obviously as they try and water down our laws, the gunnies use the US model, where gun laws of any kind are mostly nonexistent to label our laws as "strict"! The US model of unrestricted gun ownership bred the Orlando licensed mass murderer Omar Mateen, their model of gun laws gave Mateen the capability to commit his horrendous crime with legally accessible firearms. Our laws give the likes of Ian Turnbull access to legal guns to commit his crime of premeditated murder. With so many guns legally in our community, with the potential to be used to commit murder, no one should label our Australian gun laws as "strict"!

Since 1972 there have been 74 islamic religion inspired fatal attacks in the USA with a death toll of 3160.

All men, not all using guns, no other religion comes anywhere close.

otb,

"You would be very foolish indeed to be using her murder to support your unfounded and emotional contention that gun availability and 'gun culture' was a major contributor to murders in the US when the UK's strict 'gun control' did not protect Jo Cox."

I cited Jo Cox's murderer as a supporter of the far-right. Should we denounce all supporters of far-right policy as potentially murderous because of Mair's actions?

Although one shudders to contemplate the carnage he could have committed had he had access to the kinds of fire power freely available in the US.

And you are so right, otb, what could I have been thinking in raising US gun availability as partially to blame for the staggering number of deaths when Mateen went off.

Oh...but then again...

"Guns Have Killed At Least 125 Americans Since The Orlando Pulse Massacre"

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/17/guns-have-killed-at-least-125-americans-since-the-orlando-pulse-massacre.html

NB: - that was two days agao - so you can probably add another fifty gun murders to the total.

Nothing to do with US gun culture though I'm sure.

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SM,

"Since 1972 there have been 74 islamic religion inspired fatal attacks in the USA with a death toll of 3160."

Where's your proof that there have been 74 attacks (presumably by Muslims)?

More to the point, where's your proof that they were Islamic inspired?