Shadow Minister,"..Using the same logic, the world would be safer with fewer guns and Imams that preach hate/murder of gays heretics etc would be banned from preaching"

That should be, "..Using the same logic, the world would be safer with fewer ILLEGAL guns and Imams that preach hate/murder of gays heretics etc would be banned from preaching"

Predictably, 'gun control' activists are NOT interested in evidence-based regulation. Nor are they interested in illegal firearms and the thugs who unlawfully possess and use them. Just bans and confiscations affecting the legally acquired and duly registered assets of ordinary law-abiding citizens.

"Predictably, 'gun control' activists are NOT interested in evidence-based regulation. Nor are they interested in illegal firearms and the thugs who unlawfully possess and use them. Just bans and confiscations affecting the legally acquired and duly registered assets of ordinary law-abiding citizens."

That's all very well, otb...but this wonderful system you laud produces an average of 27 firearm murders "a day" in the US.

Poirot,

I will not bother to educate you on the shonky stats you quote and your further manipulation of them. Because others have done that before and to no avail.

Just to repeat that, "Correlation does not imply causation". Here you go, knock yourself out,

http://www.fastcodesign.com/3030529/infographic-of-the-day/hilarious-graphs-prove-that-correlation-isnt-causation

It takes a lot of gall to discount the contributions of the social problems in the US though. Shamefully, nothing was gained in that department from having a black President.

No way that the 'Progressives' will ever 'fess up to the unforeseen negative consequences of their social experimentation.

27 murders a day Poirot?
So where do these murders happen?
Oh Chicago you say where they have tough restrictions on guns...
In black / gang / poverty / drug neigbourhoods?

They already have gun laws there.
Your argument just vaporized into fantasyland.
... Like a great idea that never actually happened.

I think its foolish to try to compare gun murders in America to our country for example where we have very few gun-murders, you have to recognise the the other differences between our countries.

They don't have Medicare and Centrelink in the US the same way we do.
If they took those away in Australia and we had easy access to guns I may want to be armed for fear of criminals as well.

And what you all forget is what the Second Amendment in the US is for.
The right to overthrow a tyrannical government.

I support the idea that US citizens are under no obligation to obey a criminal Hillary Clinton government should she be elected because shes already committed espionage after giving staff directions to remove 'top-secret' classifications of documents sent through her unsecured and unsanctioned private server which means she's not eligible to hold the position of POTUS.
Not no mention all the other controversies and failures that surround her.

If Hillary Clinton is elected US President, I also support the US citizens right to resist any attempt on her part to take their guns, a part of the constitution she swore to uphold.
I would support the citizens right to form militia and overthrow such a criminal and tyrannical government by force if necessary, if they chose to.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson
That's what the second amendment is for, do you get it now?

One thing that's been a foundation of government all through the ages and even today is corruption.
The second amendment is the ultimate check and balance on government.

Otb,

Those "shonky" figures are from the FBI.

For 2014, the FBI's Figures were 8,124

More often the annual total is quoted at Round 11,000 with a further 20,000 attributed to suicide by firearm.

You only have to watch real life trauma units in America - there are tv shows recording real life emergency depts where gunshot victims are brought in day after day, time after time , to see how the epidemic of gun trauma stalks that nation.

Religion just gives people an excuse to confirm their personal hatreds.

"The Bible says that God hates gays so it must be OK for me to hate them too."

The same verse also says that God hates shellfish yet the same homophobes have probably eaten oysters, worked on the Sabbath and deliberately worn two different types of cloth but the haters conveniently overlook the others.

Some will moan about abortion but have no problem dropping bombs on pregnant women in other countries and the "hate the sin but love the sinner" claim is a typically cowardly response to hide their true feelings.

That's how religion works.

The police who ran into the gay nightclub to save the victims were running in to bash and arrest them in similar clubs not very long ago.

That's how morality works.