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Islamic terror in Orlando, a boost to Trump?

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Here is a list of Islamist attacks around the world,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

When you have finished going through the pages and pages, then tell me that I am just imagining it.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 19 June 2016 10:51:56 AM
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Oh here comes "onthebeach" in full odious snarl.

In this case, one ad hom deserves another...

otb - as an apologist for far right-wing ideological bigotry and purveyor of radical masculine factoids (while claiming to be balanced and oh-so outraged) you are shameless with your win at any cost BS.

"For the many who care facts"

So the "facts" come from the NY Times...they must do because that's where otb linked to support his argument. Not a shabby" site at all.

Here we go....

"The mass shooting in Orlando on Sunday was appalling in scale: 49 killed in a single attack. But it’s not unusual for dozens of Americans to be killed by guns in a single day."

"...Counting mass shootings that make headlines and the thousands of Americans murdered one or a few at a time, gunshot homicides totaled 8,124 in 2014, according to the F.B.I."

"This level of violence makes the United States an extreme outlier when measured against the experience of other advanced countries."

"In the United States, the death rate from gun homicides is about 31 per million people — the equivalent of 27 people shot dead every day of the year. The homicides include losses from mass shootings, like Sunday’s Orlando attack, or the San Bernardino, Calif., shooting last December. And of course, they also include the country’s vastly more common single-victim killings."

Etc...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/upshot/compare-these-gun-death-rates-the-us-is-in-a-different-world.html

It is usual for some of the other long squatting rightist nags on this site to keep recycling wrong information and outright porkies, despite being corrected many times by other contributors.

Folks, you'll have to excuse the mirroring of the ad hom belligerence included in my post to the person who posts as "onthebeach" - but it drives home his strategy when it comes to airing his views.

I'm sure he's a lovely bloke - but you don't want to disagree with him, otherwise it's full right-wing bellicosity replete with insult and outrage.
Posted by Poirot, Sunday, 19 June 2016 11:05:20 AM
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Poirot,

Upon finding yourself over your ears in a deep hole of your own making, the rational thing to do is to stop digging.

But no, you are not going to do that, because you might have to concede that you are wrong.

It is foolish of you to cast about to find some excuse somehow to diminish the culpability of those foul murderers for their despicable crimes.

What about your contention (expressed via a link), that "Toxic masculinity was just as much to blame for the Orlando shootings as radical Islam"?*

And your speculation about firearms and the size of a man's penis.*

'Toxic masculinity' - Grievance Feminism*. Absolute bollocks, self-serving and very nasty. Reprehensible that you would try to excuse and lessen the responsibility of that disgusting, evil murderer and Islam.

*Grievance Feminism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iWa-5zWJgU
Posted by onthebeach, Saturday, 18 June 2016 12:40:09 PM
Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 19 June 2016 11:56:02 AM
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Orb,

Please link to the post where I speculated about the size of a man's penis.

.....except to say that I couldn't give a toss about that aspect.

(Good luck with that)

Why aren't you praising my link to the NY Times article?

After all, that's where one goes for facts according to you.

It's no mystery that US mass firearm murders are carried out by men.

Love the way you continually repost your earlier commentary - especially the ones you've carefully crafted to include your most obnoxious ad hom....who else does that around here?

Got a little relevance deprivation thing happening have you?

Ah well....
Posted by Poirot, Sunday, 19 June 2016 12:08:01 PM
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//the further problem is that the teachings of "moderate" congregations essentially teaches that a range of crimes deserve death incl homosexuality, women adulterers, heretics, those that give up Islam, blasphemy, etc, plus that beating and mistreatment of women is ok.

Essentially the "moderate" teachings of Islam differ from radical teachings by only a matter of degree.//

Another assertion without supporting data. I'm beginning to think he just makes this stuff up as he goes along.

//tell me that I am just imagining it.//

You aren't imaging that there are Islamic terrorists. What you are imagining is that all Muslims are violent fundamentalists. It's telling that you haven't managed to google up any data to support that belief.

It's strange, because you don't seem to imagine that all Buddhists are violent fundamentalists even though some of them are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence

Or that all Christians are violent fundamentalists even though some of them are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

Or that all Jews are violent fundamentalists even though some of them are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_religious_terrorism

Well, you get the idea. Why is Islam the only religion where you imagine that some violent fundamentalists necessarily makes all of them violent fundamentalists? Is it because you accept some right-wing opinion as fact, without worrying about the evidentiary basis of these 'facts'?
Posted by Toni Lavis, Sunday, 19 June 2016 12:08:33 PM
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"orb" obviously meant to be "otb"

Working on iPad and find those things slip through more often as opposed to the laptop.
Posted by Poirot, Sunday, 19 June 2016 12:11:12 PM
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