Dear Hippie,

<<Just cut off their dole payments for life, if convicted>>

But why would they be on the dole in the first place?

I wrote time and again that the two aspects of migration - physical and social, must be separate:

While entry into the continent of Australia should be relaxed, blocking only those who pose a risk (health or criminal) to Australians, entry into Australian society (along with its economic benefits such as the dole, as well as the right to live in cities) should be restricted to those who are deemed to be assets to Australia.

OTB,
I note well what you say about Rotherham and add to that that we here in Aus accept refugees and immigrants from Afghanistan, where it is culturally and common to exploit even younger boys and girls for sexual purposes. Recently, a dad had his two kids at a sports ground and while he was concentrating on the boy an Afghan refugeetried to steal his little girl, luckily she pulled away and went to her father. The Afghan bloke was charged but was aquitted by the court as he claimed in his culture it was normal.

Obviously the risk to our kids is high, but given we know about the culture why do we accept any from Afghanistan. It is because of the stupid ideology of multiculturalism that both major parties endorse.

We simply have to change and not accept people from those groups that have shown us they will not integrate. I had hoped that by now the current government would have abolished MC and endorsed integration as the objective.

Yuyutsu,
How do you decide who's an asset and who's a liability if there's no information in the public domain about rates of welfare dependancy or criminal activity among migrants?
In Germany 70% of Lebanese migrants are on Hartz 4 relief, there have been suggestions that in Australia it's closer to 85% and that similar rates of dependance are found among Sudanese, Somalis and Afghans.
If you can be bothered, spend some time going through the criminal law lists for suburban magistrates courts:
http://www.magistratescourt.vic.gov.au/publication/daily-hearing-lists-and-efas
After a while a few patterns start to emerge, guess what? Court districts with large migrant populations such as Sunshine, Dandenong, Heidelberg and Broadmeadows are not only much busier than others but on average above 50% of the cases feature defendants with non Anglo names even though migrants and non Anglo Australians actually make up only a small fraction of the inhabitants of those areas.
When you go to the Victoria Police "My Place" site and look at crime statistics the picture is even more stark, "vibrant, multicultural" Darebin has twice the rate of most crimes as "Whitebread" Stonnington.
When you break it down even further it's clear that even the much praised 1949-1977 Southern/Eastern European migrant intake wasn't overwhelmingly beneficial given the number of Greek, Italian, Turkish and Balkan surnames on the law lists, which when you consider that the original "refugees" are at least in their sixties by now indicates a problem with subsequent generations.

Correction, the second paragraph makes no sense due to bad editing on my part.
Disregard the words "large migrant populations", there are of course no Australian suburbs with particularly large numbers of non Anglo/White inhabitants compared to the European experience. There are no communities like Koekelberg,Malmo or Bradford in this country and that makes the rates of crime in our "vibrant multicultural" suburbs even more startling because it's indicating severe problems with a very small number of people.

Terrorists and suicide bombers accept their death in action
because that makes them a martyr. They get immediate access to
paradise and their 72 virgins.

To achieve this they have to be pure.
Bury them with a pig and they will be contaminated and will not be
able to enter paradise.

Can you think of a better disincentive ?
Perhaps Monis could be wrapped in a shroud with a pig and buried at sea.

I've carefully read everybody's thoughts and opinions herein, though expressed in varying ways they all amount to the same thing ? Shock and revulsion that such a tragedy can happen here.

Still as the dust settles, and other stories of horror overtake this matter, there are those amongst us who 'CAN' make a difference. By introducing appropriate legislation that may not entirely prevent such a horror, but at least reduce the possibilities of it happening again.

Of course we all know that won't happen ? Citing our United Nations obligations toward refugees that restrain us from more thoroughly scrutinising people, people who're claiming refugee status, as they arrive at both our ports and airports ?

Rather most of our politicians, many of whom have been suitably struck down by that awful political ailment, 'Party Paralysis' simply hope it will all quietly disappear from the headlines, allowing them to inaudibly slip away, for their 'well deserved' holidays (abroad), funded entirely by the taxpayer, and will conveniently forget about this whole dreadful business ! It matters little, that the families of the two victims, will never forget this tragedy!

When most believe our politicians should act collaboratively, and in a bi-partisan way, and do something constructively, in an attempt to prevent and further criminal incidences of this kind !

I'll bet my pension, neither those in Canberra or Macquarie Street will lift a bloody finger ? Unless of course, they can manage to orchestrate or contrive, some new (fiscal) model, of extracting further taxes, dues, levies, even some excise, from us ? Telling us it's to assist to interdict these maniacs from repeating another Martin Place incident ?