Dear Jay,

<<How do you decide who's an asset and who's a liability if there's no information in the public domain about rates of welfare dependancy or criminal activity among migrants?>>

Fortunately it is not my job to decide. I leave it for the experts to decide if they can, but if in doubt, then we are not obliged to accept anyone whatsoever into Australian society and its benefits (and if some international treaties say that we are obliged, then we should withdraw from those).

My main point was the distinction between physical immigration and social immigration: while it is morally wrong to block people's entry into this continent who pose no risk to us, there is nothing wrong about not sharing social benefits with them.

Banjo,

The Leftist 'Progressive' ratbaggery of PC 'non-discriminatory' immigration policy has completely lost the plot.

As well as being a deliberate wrong use of the term discriminating which has a positive meaning, the 'non discriminatory' policy is being taken to extremes as is the 'diversity-we-have-to-have'. Both work against the interests of the host country, Australia.

My first concern is the abuses of democracy - one being that the electors have not been allowed any real input to policy and choice.

My second concern and not minor either, is that there is no comprehensive risk analysis and risk management plan for immigration available and in place. Plainly, most risks cannot be treated reactively. Anyone who gets a foothold in Australia is a shoo-in for permanent residency and citizenship through the taxpayer-funded appeals system - a system that shouldn't exist.

To top it off, politicians self-censor and are proactively compliant with the wishes of the noisy elements of the ethnic lobby - who do NOT by any stretch of the imagination represent all migrant groups, or many migrants.

Political parties have very short horizons, to feed the media chooks daily and attend to the squeaky wheels. The great majority of the electorate don't get a look-in between elections and they know it. In Labor, even the members are disenfranchised from tors by the recently formalised gerrymander ensuring that the factions control the pre-selections. No democracy there either.

I suggest that instability in government is the future and unfortunately there will be more career politicians - glib opportunists with their own agenda and interests to serve.

No chance then of any improvement in immigration policy that puts Australia and Australians first (as should be the case). There is no chance whatsoever that the 'Progressives' will ever be held accountable for their social experiments. It would take a series of catastrophies for there to be any questioning of relevant policy.

Dear Bazz,

Well your silence indicates you may well have gone back through your posts to discover that despite your furious and emphatic denial you did indeed defend this man's rights, particularly to send hate filled letters to the families of our deceased soldiers.

Specifically you said;

(the)"sheik has the right to say it and even write it"

and that;

"I don't believe anyone should be prosecuted for writing such a letter".

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5656#157249

I wanted him prosecuted.

I get that you were not alone, that there were other right-wing ratbags who were so determined to hold on to their own right to spew hate speech that they too stood in his corner defending this killer's rights. But you are the only one to try and squirm out of having done so.

What do you have to say for yourself?

In olden days communities had their answers to people like that.
Tarring and Feathering.
This was done to show the communities distaste for the offender without
giving injury.
They were more advanced than us !
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 7 March 2013 4:39:15 PM

Steele, you really are a thickhead !

Dear Banjo,

I have been giving some thought to the need to enact immigration rules to protect Australian families from tragedies that seem to be increasingly common throughout our community. If like me this is indeed your aim, rather than a racist rant, then I am hoping you will support the inclusion of Scottish people in our combined list of undesirables.

The Scottish have been known for their propensity for violence going back millennia. They were a thorn in the side of the Romans and later the English. Joe Bageant in his book Rainbow Pie addresses this very fact; Drink, Pray, Fight, F**! - How the Scots Irish Screwed Up America.

Here are a few paragraphs;

“In understanding how such ominous political ideations manifested themselves in this country, it helps to look back 450 years to a group of Celtic cattle thieves killing one another in the mud along Hadrian's Wall -- the Borderers. Fanatically religious and war loving, these Scottish Protestants made their way first to Ireland as the "Ulster Scots," then to American shores during the early 18th century. Known to most Americans as the Scots Irish or Scotch Irish, the Borderers brought cultural values that govern (some would say screw up) the political emotions of millions of Americans to this day.”

“Given the unceasing looting, burning and moving, the Borderers built impermanent earth and log dwellings called "cabbins". Within their smoky cabins they lived a quick-tempered, hard drinking, volatile lifestyle, one that anthropologists say can still be seen in American trailer courts today. So the next time you see one of us drunkenly kicking in a neighbor's car door in some trailer court parking lot at 1 AM, try to remember: That's not a brawl you're witnessing, it's cultural diversity.”

http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2005/01/drink_pray_figh.html

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So how much has changed? Very little by the looks of it.

“Almost 150 years after they were first documented and 80 years since they earned Glasgow the "no Mean City" label, its gangs are more numerous and violent than ever. Throughout Glasgow, a city of little more than 1 million people, there are estimated to be more than 170 gangs, accounting for more than 2,000 hard-core members and numerous other hangers-on.”

“Each roams the city fighting pitched battles with knives, clubs, bricks and bottles over graffiti-daubed streets in an epidemic of violence so widespread in the west of Scotland that one in six reported assaults involves a blade. But doctors have admitted that the vast majority of stab wounds treated in the city's hospitals go unreported to the authorities. The scale of the violence is feared to be much greater than officially acknowledged.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/the-streets-of-scotland-britains-knife-capital-480981.html

Violence and stabbings seem just so much of the Scottish culture one wonders what the impact of allowing Scottish migrants into Australia might have been. Well anecdotal evidence would seem to indicate it has been devastating.

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