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How to prevent or contain terrorist acts in Australia?

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Paul,

"Imagine the wails of indignation from the right wing ratbags on the forum if 150 members of the Islamic clergy...."

I take your point but add that there are no Islamic clergy in Australia or anywhere else as Islam has no clergy.

About all Australians being equal under the law, that's the theory but not the practice, otherwise there would not be the disparity between the rate of incarceration of Aboriginals and the rest.
Furthermore Aboriginal Australians have Traditional Law considered, in some jurisdictions, when they are before the Court; this is not a consideration offered to other Australians.

On a lighter note, We were once enjoying a feed of prawns, in the public bar of the Crystal Palace Hotel in George St [back before it went up market].
We'd accumulated a fair heap of the front halves when up came a Maori bloke and asked if we were going to throw them out.On the affirmative he asked if he and his mates could have them as they were the best part.
We watched in some amazement as they crunched into the top bits.
Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 29 December 2014 8:50:30 PM
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Dear Paul,

Each of us have our eating habits and peculiarities.
Some things are an acquired taste. There's people
who eat insects, frog's legs, squid, octapus,
and so on. I don't particularly enjoy sushi - my
daughter-in-law loves it. Others like caviar (fish eggs),
it's too salty for my taste. And I could go on -
but none of it is against the law and that's the whole
point.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 29 December 2014 9:55:11 PM
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Banjo said;
How else can it be achieved? As yet nobody has put forward anything
practical. Have you an opinion on how it can be done?

What is impractical in burying a terrorist with a pig ?
Quite easy, buy a pig from the abattoir, or a side of pork from the
nutcher or some pork chops and put them in his shroud.

Quite simple, quite cheap and very very effective.
No moslem would do anything to risk that fate.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 29 December 2014 10:05:33 PM
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Yuyutsu put forward a suggestion with proved merit,
"One thing that Israel does, is to allow those of its citizens who prove to be good to have and carry weapons. Numerous terror attacks were stopped by ordinary armed Israeli civilians (as well as soldiers on leave) who happened to be there."

I would like to see the federal government get a professional comprehensive risk analysis and an independent comprehensive audit of the policies and administration of immigration.

Obviously, reactive treatment of the problem of poor selections and management is fraught with difficulties, some that can only be part-remedied by long term incarceration of the offender.

Risk management strategies that are proactive in treating risks are the only real solution and are far lower cost to the taxpayer.

It is highly likely that political interference over many years and different administrations has resulted in poor decisions and outcomes. Removal of appeals and making the decision of the Immigration department final as is the case in some other countries would reduce that problem and speed processing.

The Abbott government has taken an important initiatives to handle terrorists returning form overseas. The Muslim community needs to get behind Tony Abbott.
Posted by onthebeach, Monday, 29 December 2014 11:05:21 PM
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"I take your point but add that there are no Islamic clergy in Australia or anywhere else as Islam has no clergy."
Is Mise I take your point about clergy. I should make it clear, as an atheists I oppose ALL religions, including the Islamic religion, its all hooey in my book.
I would never accuse you of going "up market" I can see you are a man of sleaze just like myself. LOL on that one! I know what you are saying about prawn heads and Maori's they love the buggers, my partner included, she had a great feed of them on Xmas day. A while back we had a nosh up of Blue Swimmer Crabs, after "T" got through with them all that was left were the shells and the dead mans fingers, even those little eyes of theirs had disappeared. Even my old man, who was dinky di as 'Chips' Rafferty, loved his tripe, not any old kinda tripe but the honeycomb variety, particularly after he had a skin full at the pub, I don't mind it myself.

Beach, Israel is a police state in a war zone. We are not either. I know you strongly advocate such a society for Australia, where some of the citizenry are armed to the teeth, party members, and unquestioned (secret) police shootings are common place. A society where nightly disappearances are the norm, and descenters are dragged off for "reeducation". Unfortunately we Greens and other right thinking people, will always oppose your view of Utopia!
I note you will not address the Catholic clergy and the pedophilia issue raised by SteeleRedux. Yet you pontificate about Rotherham in the UK , but remain steadfastly silent on Catholicism in Australia. Why?
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 4:46:13 AM
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Dear Paul,

Having identified yourself as a member of the Greens who allegedly oppose the police state, could you please provide your party's view on the following current Australian laws?

1. Prohibition to ride a bicycle without wearing a pot over one's head.
2. Compulsory seat-belts.
3. Compulsory to comply with the orders of officers from the Australian Bureau of Statistics who knock on your door (penalty of up to one year imprisonment).
4. Compulsory voting.
5. Compulsory jury-duty.
6. Prohibition to purchase or import medications (for example antibiotics) without a doctor's prescription.
7. Prohibition on the sale of raw, unpasteurised milk.
8. Compulsory fire alarm in private homes (which usually contains radioactive materials).

Also, is your party aware and intends changing the fact that Australian prisons are one of the harshest in the world, Australia being one of only a few countries where prisoners are not allowed to bring in any personal items, be it books, clothes, memorabilia, musical instruments, or even their own toothbrush (the only exception is a rosary for Catholics)? That mothers of Australian prisoners are not allowed to bring a birthday cake to their imprisoned sons? Are you aware that prisoners in Israel, including Arab terrorists have many more privileges than Australians and routinely take correspondence university courses, denied to their Australian counterparts, often leaving jails with a doctorate? Are you aware that Israeli prisoners who are well-behaved and not a danger to the public start receiving periodic weakend-leaves after serving 1/3 of their term, something that Australian prisoners can never dream of, who unlike Israeli prisoners can never even receive a few hours' leave to attend a family wedding?

This is just the tip of the iceberg - is your party committed to stop Australia being a police state and can you confirm that if you party comes to power it will not introduce new compulsions and prohibitions?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 7:53:58 AM
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