Dear Bazz,

Please don't worry about Belly and Jayb, both have faux misconstruing down to a fine art and are just baiting. The alternative is that they are a touch challenged, hard to completely rule that out of course.

You wrote;

“However an imman in a mosque saying that those that insult Islam or the prophet etc etc should be killed is very different.”

I agree but only in the sense that he has an identifiable set of followers.

Rwanda is one of the most Christianised countries in Africa but the poison being propagated against an ethnic group grew within the community to such an extent that it started being touted from the pulpit.

If an Imman in a mosque in Australia is calling for the death of those that insult Islam or a Christian preacher is promoting violence against gays then I want them sanctioned by my community and those we have delegated power to do so, full stop.

If a young male in my community is calling for the killing of Muslims then I would want those views challenged. Our attitudes toward our indigenous folk have changed dramatically in the last 20 years, much of it through community members letting poison peddlers exactly what they deemed was unacceptable vilification. What we have created in this country has been achieved through a lot of hard work. I want the blow torch put to anyone who attempts to threaten it.

Dear Jayb,

Sorry my friend I didn't open any of your links. You have a track record for posting things you have claimed as factual and we have shown them to be any thing but. Slips can happen to all of us but the fact you refused to apologise for any of them has labelled you as someone not worth the bother. But post some more if you like.

So, csteel, you are admitting you are an Islamist. You do want Australia to become an Islamic Caliphate. You do support terrorists & the killing of innocent civilians by Islamic bombers. You do support the idea of forcing Australians to become Muslims. What a peaceful person you are.

Csteel: Sorry my friend I didn't open any of your links. You have a track record for posting things you have claimed as factual and we have shown them to be anything but.

You have not shown anything of the sort. There has only been one thing of which it was not proven I was wrong, but you tried to make a mountain out of a mole hill out of it & that really didn't work. It had nothing to do with this subject any way. This is deflection again. but that's exactly what you are a champion at doing. Isn't it.

These videos are Islamic people telling the West just what Islam is & what they are going to do to us. You are deflecting again. But that's what Islamist do. One of the videos has lessons in how to do it. I gather you have studied that video before any way.

Csteel, Master of Deception & Deflection. Aah.. I luv ya sweet pea. You are so funny it terrifies me.

.....If an Imman in a mosque in Australia is calling for the death of those that insult Islam or a Christian preacher is promoting violence against gays then I want them sanctioned by my community and those we have delegated power to do so, full stop.

Ar Csteel, and there in lies the problem, THE MUSLIM LEADERS HERE IN OZ CAN'T CONTROL THEIR OWN PEOPLE.

This is why I say the religion must go, as if their leaders can't control them, what hope do we have.

Now while I don't have any time for gays myself, I don't think they should be attacted as such, however, I don't know of any Christian preacher suggesting that all gays be beheaded, do you?

Rechtub a truth, some times the leader has too much control over those he preaches hate to.
Csteele has a view, most disagree.
But let us drop the curtain and see the whole picture.
Muslims have lived in peace here for generations.
And in truth given no one reason to hate or fear them, many new arrivals will be like that.
Surely we agree.
But them term Muslim covers many Nations and many country,s.
Some well educated some far from it.
Australia is and will remain a country that keeps its politics separate from religion.
Many followers of Islam can not do that, the very holly book they live by demands they do not.
In increasing, numbers teachers of hate, teach add ons, things the Koran never once said, not that we need look further than that book to excuse our feelings.
We in the west, increasingly, are moveing towards science, not religion.
Yet face some we housed, who demand sharia law, in our country.
Csteele set us loose, to give our thoughts, but the thread was never an honest one.
IF it was it would have included worldwide horrible things said by uneducated primitive car flogging bigots, against us.
It too would address the evil done to women in some Muslim country,s.
These things will one day be addressed, the day Muslim hate takes the world in to a war.
Unlikely? well we can can progress mankind if a God that never existed rules such a big part DEMANDING OUR DEATHS, war will come.

csteel: As requested by you. More links for an Islamic hypocrite to ignore.

More Good Islamists committing peaceful acts in name of Allah. Oh well. It saves the West a job. Allahua Ackbah!

http://news.yahoo.com/mob-pakistani-city-torches-christian-homes-110658171.html
http://news.yahoo.com/afghanistan-two-suicide-bombers-strike-first-day-hagels-140356778.html

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That is something that we should not want to change.