Lexi: All democratic societies put various limitations on what people may say. They prohibit certain types of speech that they believe might harm others.

I agree Lexi, but there is one word there that makes a big difference. That word is "Might."

Scenario. Take an unrelated group of people at any venue. Someone comes in feeling very happy & just starts to sing. One of these PC types confronts the person & says, "Stop that you "MIGHT" offend someone," or they feel offended. Nobody says anything & the person stops singing. Then, one person stands up & asks the question, "Who was offended by this person singing." Strangely no one puts their hand up. Not even the the person who demanded the happy person stop singing. When confronted, they say that they were only thinking that others "might" be offended, that's why they spoke up.

These PC types take unfair advantage of “The Rule.”

The "assumption" that someone "Might" be offended is a bad one. As I was taught in the Army, "Never assume." There-in lays the dilemma. Do we NOT do something just because "someone might" be offended. Do we stop doing something just because a few people in a large crowd "Might" be offended. When most people in the large crowd clearly are not offended. If only a few people are offended then THEY should leave. That goes for breast feeding problem as well.

If Islamists are offended by other belief systems in Australia or our customs & want us to change, especially by using covert & violent means, then they should leave or made to leave forcibly if necessary.

Lexi,

How dare you interrupt the momentum with a reasonable and well-balanced post.

Now, if you don't mind, we'll get back to the hysteria.

: )

Dear Jay,

This isn't about political correctness.
As I stated in my earlier post - most
democratic countries have four major
restrictions on free expression:

1) Laws covering libel and slander prohibit
speech or publication that harms a person's
reputation.

2) Laws that forbid speech that offends public
decency by using obsenities or by encouraging
people to commit acts considered immoral.

3) Laws against spying, treason, and urging violence
prohibits speech that endangers life, property,
or national security.

These laws in most Western countries have been brought
about through the growth of democratic governments
based on the rule of law.

Dear Poirot,

To many Westerners Islamic fundamentalism seems like an
almost scandalous return to a medieval morality. It
conjures forth images of women behind veils, of
adulterers being stoned, of theives having their
hands cut off, of public floggings and executions, of
martyrdom in holy wars, and, in extreme cases, of
political fanaticism exemplified in aircraft hijackings
and terrorist bombings.

Thsi picture is rather distorted, for it is based on
what is newsworthy rather than what is typical.

Therefore it isn't suprising that some posters buy into
what a small minority does and tars the majority with the
same brush. We've seen it all in the past. Certain politicians
make political mileage out of it. That's the way the game is
played.

Then there are those whose notions of nationhood
are seen as incompatible with diversity. These beliefs are
expressed in various stereotyped views of who the "real"
Australians are. This is an ideology of national culture
in which minority cultures are regarded as alien and a
threat to social cohesion. It consists of pervasive cultural
assumptions where the customs and beliefs of the domiant
group in society are presented as the norm.

As a result, the status and behaviour of minority groups,
particularly those who are more visibly different,
are defined and judge with respect to the
dominant group of largely
British and Celtic backgrounds.

These attitudes are widely discussed in the media where
they are presented as reasonable and commonsense.
They don't accurately portray Australia's
cultural diversity.

Lexi: This isn't about political correctness. As I stated in my earlier post - most democratic countries have four major restrictions on free expression:

But Political Correctness is used by minorities to force the majority to change their culture to a less desirable culture, Like Islam.

1) Laws covering libel and slander prohibit speech or publication that harms a person's reputation.

That covers a lot. No one is allowed to debate in a reasonable manner the Cons or make a genuine criticism of a minority under the threat of Racisms or such like from a minority. Therefore Free Speech is stifled.

2) Laws that forbid speech that offend public decency by using obscenities or by encouraging people to commit acts considered immoral.

Well when it comes to obscenities in public, that would put a lot of young women on the spot now, wouldn't it. Immoral means different things to different people. Immoral to a Westerner would be putting people into Slavery, Sex, and Drugs etc. To an Islamist Immoral would mean being a non- Muslim.

3) Laws against spying, treason, and urging violence, prohibits speech that endangers life, property, or national security.

Well that buggars your Habeebi & that other traitorous clown & most Islamists in a mob. Doesn’t it.

These laws in most Western countries have been brought about through the growth of democratic governments based on the rule of law.

Exactly & we live in the 21 Century. Islam has yet to reach that. They never will because their Koran forbids it. It is a publication that encourages, spying, treason, and urging violence, prohibits speech that endangers life, property, & national security. Islam is an alternate form of Government under the guise of a peaceful religion, which it is not.

It now appears people have 2 main points of objection to the present refugees.
1 violence & crime.
2 failure to assimilate.

Another factor which is to me reasons for wanting them stopped.

1 85% still on welfare after being here over 5 years.

minor reasons.
The failure of some to even want to learn English

This one will be contentious - The size of the family, which is much larger than the average westerner. (this could be a potential problem but years away)

Don't you get it? Am I the only one that gets it? It's a trick.

All this hand-wringing about Islam is a smokescreen intended to distract us from the real danger:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83tnWFojtcY

Cheers,

Tony