SPQR,

Not "wound up"...just setting a misrepresentation straight.

So.....season's greetings to you and yours as well.

Hope it's a good one.

: )

Just gotta put my twopennyworth in here.
If any of us went to a muslim country and publicly announced to others of our own minority religious or non religious persuasion that they should not observe the traditions of the host country, what do you think would be their reaction? Would any of our compatriots openly support us? I suspect there would be violent repercussions against not only myself but all non-muslims.
And our Christian children in their schools. Would they be openly allowed to wish their friends a merry Christmas?
I have no objection to Muslims being in Australian society, but feel they should be Muslim in private, and Australian in public. When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
If Muslims genuinely want to be Australian citizens, why decry our beliefs. As I see it, they want to live here, but would rather not be part of our society, just enjoy the benefits they receive from our country.
Bazz and Jay of Melbourne have illustrated good points. We are multi-racial as opposed to multi-cultural. Islam is a masculine society and also to a great extent tribal. They fight at the least provocation amongst the different sects and tribes, and attempt to physically harm anyone who dares to offer any other viewpoint than the one they have. Their defence of their own different branches of their religion never remain peaceful. Recent demonstrations in the Eastern states have shown their proclivity for physical violence at every small opportunity here too. Small wonder Australians are dismayed to have them in our more rational and cerebral society, where dissention does not automatically mean we have to demonstrate this with physical violence.

worldwatcher - please take this constructively not critically. when you post leave a line between paragraphs or when addressing a different person. It will make it much easier than one big mass of text.

Also you are right foreigners get away with doing things we could never do in there country also they get away with doing things that in there country they would be killed or jailed for doing.

Crazy they like what our liberty provides but advocate for there repressed rules & laws etc here.

In this post I will pose two questions.
In truth answering them too.
First the red neck attitude that INSISTS, on including every non Australian born person.
Are the numbers, small in fact, of other than the threads target any more or less than Australians here, or over seas, say shop lifting gangs working in England.
I under stand, even agree, with world watchers claim WE COULD NOT EVEN live in their country as we would here, our deaths would be assured.
OK! tell me our thoughts/fears/ dislike of Muslims in our country and not, IS ONE WAY, THAT THEY LOVE US!
Lie to your self if you must.
I reject it totally, having mixed with many I can tell you we are despised, by second generation criminals
Tell me why even here honor killings and forced marriages take place.
Remind me why female butchers force FGM on innocent young kids.
Italians showed us to eat drink better, to love as they do our family.
Greece Germany the Balkans bought to us the fruits of Multi cultures.
Never threatened ours.
Remind me, in the final years maybe months before Western Civilization is forced to WAR against this RELIGION and its followers what has Islamic migration given the western world.
I will tell you the only thing I can find is about 200.000 more recipients of Social Security.

Belly, Worldwatcher
I've made this point before but I'll make it again, Paul, Poirot, Suse and all the other bourgeois WASP commenters are simply spokespeople for the White Power agenda of their better connected co-ethnics in the state hierarchy.
White Power is the colonial practice used by Anglo Saxons of elevating and distributing priviliege to minority groups over the majority ethnic group and using ethno politics and ethnic tensions to keep the population divided, what's happening to this country isn't colonisation by Muslims or anyone else, it's the top down re-colonisation of our multi- racial society by the same old WASP vested interests which landed here in 1788.
It's very hard to maintain control over a colony which is ethnically homogenous because people start to see their interests as being tied to the nation rather than the state (or corporation). It's also difficult for WASP's to colonise a multi racial society in which the various ethnicities peacefully co exist on their own terms and co-operate with each other, there has to be ethnic tension for White Power to work.
What's more the available evidence strongly suggests that's exactly what this tiny group of Anglo Saxon colonists from Jutland did in the British Isles all those years ago.
Most of us really do want to get along, we can cope with a multi racial society which has it's social codes and protocols hashed out at a grass roots level, it's the WASP elite and their bourgeois supporter base who can't leave us alone, they have to cause trouble, otherwise if we the people start organising ourselves they can no longer rule from above.

Philip S,
Point taken and without offence on my part.
Will be more careful in future.

Personally, I like living in this century far too much to want to slip back into 14th? century type repression.

Also anyone who thinks being a suicide bomber will grant them rivers of wine and vestal virgins in the next life are seriously deluded, don't you think?
Notice that it is mainly young men who do this. Have yet to see an instance reported where one of the leaders who train them for this have ever gone out and practised what they have preached.
Maybe if they had, it would prove to their indoctrinated followers how deeply they themselves embrace this form of human sacrifice.

It is killing for the sheer joy of killing, especially when these bombers often do not have specific targets, but blow up whoever is in the vicinity of their bombs- be it men, women or children, and regardless of those persons' faith - which is often the same one as theirs.
Such mindless violence is truly beyond my comprehension!