I regret having diverted the thread to respond to a shot.
I however guilty,do not regret supporting OLO and its owner.
Having said that I understand this thread walks on thin ice.
As SOME wish to include all migration in the theme.
And others wish to point to, and use the success of past migration.
We will continue to walk that thin ,sometimes PC driven line.
But in targeting those who like me, see a very real insult to our rights in our country we forget truths.
If given the chance, and asked a simply put question, Australians in majority and increasing numbers, hold thoughts not unlike mine.
The question.
* Is Muslim Migration likely to be a problem For Australia now or in the future?*

Worldwatcher>> Our G.P. and friend of many years is Muslim. He also abhors what is done in the name of his religion.. His wife - also a doctor, holds the same view, as does his son who is a heart surgeon<<

WW, it is not about the “person”…there is no pack mentality when you divide the pack into individuals. It is about critical mass.

I grew up in the inner city when only the poor, the transient, aboriginals and immigrants lived in that five klm radius of those inner city suburbs. By the time the Lebanese Muslim immigration became a stream in the mid 1970’s (I was 20) I had lifelong Lebanese Christian and Turkish Muslim friends….many. I had the feeling then and I have the knowledge now that my friends were as I am, we see no divide except for whatever issue we were arguing about at the time.

We did not see each other as “different” to the extent that we wanted to change the status quo of the existing Australian culture to suit immigrant or resident. The immigrants loved the social freedom that Australia offered, and Aussies adopted culture and customs from a hundred nations. We became tolerant of change because we embraced the “exotic” brought to our shores after suffering with the bland Anglo Saxon culture we inherited from the nation’s founders.

Arab Muslims for the most part see us as different, they see our countries culture as alien, and they see our social customs as an offence to Islam. That is a rift that they cannot overcome…they will always be a society within a host nations society….until they hit critical mass….then they change the laws.

WW, just an observation on your family of lovely Muslim doctors. The educated are no barometer as to the pressure. I can take you to enclaves where six or more kids is near the norm. Where discussion about a Sharia state in Australia is always a current topic of conversation in the book shops and the Mosques.

Belly>> Having said that I understand this thread walks on thin ice.<<

China, don’t take a step back….thin ice indeed.

Who cares what the cause fetishists say or do? Muslim immigration from certain nations brings with it a mandate to work towards changing that nation to Islam. I know and the activists know that if they were forced to live in any of the Muslim enclaves in Sydney they would call for stricter policing and ongoing national security scrutiny, or to stop Muslim immigration from certain nation’s altogether.

I reckon after the first week of shootings in their street they would change their ideology. When they see the contempt that these young Muslim men hold for the authorities and non Muslims (excepting opposing Muslim factions) they may come to realize that not everyone views the worlds as they do. To my amazement these advocates view themselves as alpha creatures, but their cargo views them as prey. I can tell you that Ian Rintoul, the migration lawyer’s best source of income, lives nowhere remotely near where his human cargo resides.

As they say china, common sense aint common anymore.

Perhaps this website may help:

http://amf.net.au/library/uploads/files/Religion_Cultural_Diversity_Resource_Manual.pdf

Lexi, with nothing but respect for you, and those other posters who look for the best.
MY thoughts are considered, much time and research, has been put in to forming my opinions.
Lexi you once spoke of a shared past in Sydney's western suburbs Granville, Parramata,Auburn, Chester Hill.
Consider those places no go zones for you and me now
Part of my youth and my development wasin those areas.
Time and again my job took me back to one of those mentioned.
So I visited them all.
Once friendly welcoming,no longer so.
We Australians,so I am told, by the most bigoted group of Aussie haters, Lebanese Muslims.are foolish.
World wide as can be said about NO OTHER FAITH! talk of out breeding us murdering us is taking place.
In opening its arms the western world has imported a problem that will not go away.
Before WW2 many said Nazi Germany presented no danger.
And that the Japanese could not fight like westerners.
We are living in such times, YES! not all Muslims think like this.
NOT ALL want us to change in our country.
Far too many do.
Answers to my fears,fear and concern shared by many westerners, can come two ways.
ONE from within moderate Islam.
TWO
during a war.
Ignore the deaths of Christians yesterday in Nigeria, if you wish.
But belief in a God THAT NEVER EXISTED is a danger to humanity.
Harsh? bigot? sadly Lexi I speak the truth,next time news footage of Lakema Mosque is shown look in to the eyes of Matronly bigots as they glare at the female reporters.

SOG sorry just read your two well put together posts.
I agree.
My Doc is Muslim.
And a great bloke, millions of them are, you and I under stand that.
A time will come,probably has but we refused to see it, that no room for doubt exists.
This cult like thing,is heading this world for a war.
PS our youth while only part of mine was in a city traveled the same path.