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In My Country

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@Poirot & Co

<<Paul 1405 “Poirot, nice one”>>

Yes indeed, Poirot has finished the year just as she has started. Whenever Islam or any of its adherents are in the dock she can be counted on to step-up to the defence-- A first class apologist.

So what does Poirot’s little piece of WHITEWASH establish:
1) “Good old facebook is at it again....nothing like social media to fuel religious intolerance”
It was all Mark Zuckerburg's fault?

And
2) Actually, this case reminds of something Jayb posted recently yada yada yada...
It was another attempt to besmirch the good name of Islam?

Well maybe not. For by Poirot's own account the Jayb incident didn’t occur.

But the Facebook incident DID occur.

And no it wasn’t Facebook/Social Media to blame it was the guy (or gal –but 1000-to-1 it was a guy!) From the Lebanese Muslim collective who placed the holy ruling on Facebook. And I don’t hear anything claims of hacking so he would have had to had been a confidant of the Lebanese Muslim collective. It was tellingly only after there was a rumpus that it was removed –perhaps someone was just testing the waters to see what they could get away with?

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@ Susieonline
<< I'm assuming you would like to 'select' less or none Muslim immigrants?How do you think that decision will go down with all the Muslim countries?>>

Hardly a ripple I’d suggest!

How many LEGAL NON-Muslim immigrants do ANY of the following take in each year Malaysia, Indonesia , Pakistan, Iran , Saudi Arabia, Egypt …

And here’s another curly one for you: Each year between 2-3 million visitors enter Mecca –how many of those are NON-Muslim?
Posted by SPQR, Monday, 24 December 2012 7:11:48 AM
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SPQR,

How right you are. I can see from the brilliance of your deconstruction that there's little defence for those of us who don't hold facebook as the pinnacle of social commentary.

My comment (as you noted) said "fuel religious intolerance". That some joker posted an unofficial view on facebook was my point. That blokes of your ilk pick up such comments as representative of the official line is born out by this thread.

Thanks for popping in to put me in my place....reminds me of the last time you tried that, where you totally misrepresented my position by pulling one of comments out and installing completely out of context in your commentary. It was one of the lowest acts I've come across in my posting here.

But don't let me interrupt your paranoia...I'm sure it's uncommonly fulfilling.
Posted by Poirot, Monday, 24 December 2012 8:15:05 AM
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SPQR, how many non-Muslim immigrants WANT to emigrate to those Muslim countries?
What rubbish to suggest that Muslim countries wouldn't be upset if we blocked them from coming here.
What about those with family here?
We would encourage more unrest here in Australia amongst those Muslim people who already live here.

What about other countries who do take their share of migrants from these countries? Would you expect them to take more?

How do you think the Muslim countries will continue trading with us if we say we don't like their citizens?
We get most of our petrol from them!

You forget that we have to live in the wider world community and not in isolation in Australia...
Posted by Suseonline, Monday, 24 December 2012 8:48:26 AM
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The Age article is more revealing:
http://www.theage.com.au/nsw/lakemba-mosque-removes-christmas-fatwa-post-20121223-2btaj.html
For Paul, Suse and Poirot Islam can be a racial issue to be defended with Anti Racist tactics or it can be an issue of religious liberty which can be approached with sickly WASP "tolerance", sometimes it's both at the same time....whatever, it's just crass bourgeois self congratulation and self affirmation, "Look at me, I'm a nice person!".
Defence or tolerance of radical Islam and using anti Racist tactics isn't "progressive" it's reactionary and in the old language "right wing" behaviour because it supports the political elites and maintains the status quo, it also completely contradicts the WASP "Aussie Ethos" of a fair go for all.
Muslims don't believe in equality, they don't regard every soul as equal, Islam is masculine, hierarchical and chauvinistic, it's almost the complete opposite of what it's ignorant WASP defenders believe.
The Anti Racists might want to do some investigation on what it's like to be Shia or Coptic in Western Sydney, look into the intimidation and stand over tactics used by Sunni Lebanese on other religious and ethnic groups, ask some non Lebanese teenagers what it's like to go to school with Muslim kids.
The presence of large numbers of Muslims in White countries has killed "multiculturalism" and Anti Racism stone dead, Islam has always been a roadblock to Christianity and it's universalist, atheist and humanist sub sects, which is fine by me but two bad apples are worse than one, the Muslims should go back to where they belong and take a Suse or a Paul under each arm.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 24 December 2012 9:09:51 AM
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Thanks for that, Jay.

The human condition is such that it's never happier than when bickering erupts amongst all and sundry. Our insecurity fuels our psychology. That's the way it is.

I look at a thread like this and all I see is insularity and insecurity....not the most notable of virtues for advancing humanity and its interests, but oddly comforting for those who feel a threat of dispossession.

Merry Christmas, everyone - hope you can find some comfort one day in concentrating on the commonalities and not the differences.
Posted by Poirot, Monday, 24 December 2012 9:20:30 AM
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Poirot,
What is very telling is the way approached the issue. How you pussyfooted around pointing the finger at the organisation behind the Facebook page.

First it was:
1) “Good old facebook is at it again....nothing like social media to fuel religious intolerance

Then it was:

2) “ That some joker posted an unofficial view on facebook “

Get real!

Does EVERY Tom Dick and Ali who is a member of the Lebanese Muslim collective have access/permission to edit the Lebanese Muslim Collective Facebook?
Could I go in and alter your Facebook details ( without hacking) without you authority ?
The person who recorded the fatwa had to have had some level of authority.

And as for
<< ....reminds me of the last time you tried that, where you totally misrepresented my position ...blah blah blah >>
There was NO “misrepresentation”
I had you well and truly pegged : “ formulated…pinned and wriggling on the wall” as it were.
Posted by SPQR, Monday, 24 December 2012 9:34:53 AM
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