@ Belly:

Thanks for the kind words, but I only mentioned my illness to explain why I might appear to be obsessed by politics ATM. I got an iPad last birthday and it's had a lot of use while I haven't been able to get out and about!

I have to say I'm a bit confused by your apparent call for others to ignore csteele and Ammonite. Neither of them appears to have abused you in any way other than to politely disagree with you. Besides which, weren't you concerned that your views were somehow being silenced? Seems a little hypocritical to want to silence people just because they disagree with you, don't you think?

As Ammonite said, there are several commenters here who would appear to be more worthy of your ire - they're the ones who repetitively post false and misleading factoids that they know to be untrue, those who refuse to communicate with anything other than abuse, and those who repetitively hijack threads away from their topics.

Having said that, I'm sure that you and I could enjoy a beer together despite our differences - which is something that I certainly couldn't say about a few here, but which I could about csteele and Ammonite (although I don't know either of them personally).

i have been a member of three political parties
been in 12 election campains

while a fee paying member of the greens
wasnt allowed into a green meeting
so dont hate the party system without good reason

mr bell said..""Party's are the only expectable alternative,"'

sorry mate thats un acceptable
parties isnt a true alternative
[especially when they all support the same adjenda's]

look at keating/hawke
keating served the bankers
[most of the stuff he did..was what the money market wanted]

look at this new commodity tax...on carbon
[for the moneyed elite trading in commodities]..
wont bother with turnbull..but he loves the tax..JOHN howard/maggie thatcher liberals first.."thunk of"..!

""the very same humans..that make up party's,
would be those elected as independents.""

no mate thats not so
many couldnt get eklected without the 'party'
AND THEY KNOW IT...common mate
what ya rekon that scott..?
..could do by himself?

independants need to gawt local support
or door knock..then on electiion day man...*20.30 booths
[thats so the party gets to call the shots..cause only a 'party' can get the 1000's neded to man ALL the booths

""Imagine!a Parliament with 200 voices
200 different set of policy's human nature mate.""

mate what if the member was there for you
no0t for the bankers.,.not for the party..
not for the union..not for those paying the bills
but in govt..representing...YOU..not them

you who helped shape the policy
you who helped man the booth's
you who got them into power
knowing he will need you again...*next time

thats heaps better than the current numbers game
running busses to meetings..getting a party 'nomination'
and lush party funding...[generous pensions]..

and heaps of high value phone numbers/contacts to call..later

[being 'in'..govt
can set ya up
for life]

and a party nomination
mate it sets ya up for life
even into the next generation
[notice the same names keep comming up?]

""Soon the filth would rise to the top,"'

not if they NEED the numbers

""a soup driven by self interest would form.""

mate you know if your really got a mate
you also soon realise who is..and who aint a.."a mate'

""saw my party taken over by grubby self interest,""

mate all of them have been
[recall others saying greens run alp]
heck i told my parties thats the way to do it[take over the party mmetings..leveraging your little numbers..to take over litle metings]

suprise suprise..thats how it was allways done..!
ya really think tom burns..bill hayedn..was sacked..by their own?

or just maybe young nationals
took over the alp..party machine?

""it was my party's heart and sole that killed it too.""

stop it belly
it wasnt you..it was them..that changed
as the wolves adopted a new set of commo flage
and bought up..the next party

out with the commie left..
in..with the banking due
even the media didnt give a clue
ya really think none of them knew?

""Branded forever in our hearts by our blindness""
mate it isnt your fault
we all wwere lulled to sleep...by those who know how to trick others

""we will not let it get that bad,
the next NSW ALP government,will be held to account
by its owners..the people who vote for them will prove it.""

mate we should all get behind PEOPLE
not parties

""I again end with look at the blind hateful insults,""

come on mr bell
[sticks and stones..name calling comes with the game
YOU KNOW THAT...!

dont...""hold ourself accountable,"" for simply being human
but lets pretend it all dont hurt...[we both have copped our fair share

""fools need not tell us they are,
it shines out in some posts.""

thats right mate
[i shudder when i read some of my 'earlier' stuff
cant believe i really fell for the spin..yet again]

but hey if you walk
sometimes you trip
[so what to do..give up walking?]

OUG on this matter I will never agree with you, it will not stop us talking but I base my view on what I think is understanding.
Morganzola, I expect conservatives to some times be rude.
I truly believe what I post,I have no intention of ever changing.
Csteele And Ammonite have opinions I do not share or ever will.
OK they have that right, both in my view, insult me for my views.
I have mentioned them for the last time.
I did not want to go here, but noted a post that said, between the lines I am wrong.
Labor and the greens can or is it should work together?
After Bob Brown that perfumed Bulldozer will lead you hard jawed militant!
Abbott and the ALP both see a DD election as full of promise.
HATE me for it, I truly honestly think average Aussie will never fall at the feet of Greens.
I understand I could have turned my back on the real me, with drawn my thoughts on those posters, been seen in a better light.
But the Belly inside me will not let me,extremism is what drove me away from greens HTV cards.
If I talk only to my self if I am driven out the OLO door it will not be for being too weak to stand by my views.

morganzola">> Come on SOG, you just made that rant about CSG up, didn't you? The truth is that no political party in Australia is doing more than the Greens to get some proper regulation introduced to the industry, I think that there's been concern expressed by some Nationals and some of the Independents, but the Liberals are firmly in Big Coal's pocket these days.<<

M the Libs were always the servant to the highest bidder, Labor has become a servant to the highest bidder and the Fabians, and the Greens WERE own minded, but now their holistic agenda is set by the highest bidder, but Greens are reactionaries and will take up local issues without the nod from Europe.

Your Green MP's were yelling their tits off the moment that 4 Corners did bovine cruelty, they yelled loud enough so every paper, TV, and radio station had fodder for a week. Further the Green MP's have been busy demonizing coal over the past six months in line with their "global" agenda, it's in all the papers, you would have noticed. That is my point re the inaction of the Greens on Fracking, you gotta go to their web site to see if they are aware of this scheiser, they don't say anything.

Your "defense" is to direct me to a "gunna do" from the Qld Greens, M let me yell my tits off at you and I hope you hear me..... THE FRACKING ISSUE IS A BILLION TIMES MORE IMPORTANT ON EVERY PLAIN THAN BOVINE CRUELTY and that is not minimizing the bovine issue.

When I was a kid we went down to Pedder for two weeks and later I took time from my vocation in the early 80's to go to Warners Landing. WHY ARE THERE NOT GREENS ON THE FRACKING FIELDS TODAY,. As I have said, the organization was hijacked and the real green reactionaries displaced by the Absinthe Latte set.

M how imperative is the Fracking issue to you, and do you drink latte? Please answer the second question first.

@ SOG:

Just in case your concerns are bona fide, I was going to respond with more examples of just how wrong you are about the Greens and CSG, but after your last gratuitous insult I won't bother.

Welcome to my list of trolls to be ignored.