In this case Rechtub I agree totally, in fact almost every thing you ask for is part of the training.
It has failed, but will not again.
In this respect the filming has done a great job.
But again it was done to stop live exports, not to stop cruelty.
It that respect TAKE NOTE of diver Dans contribution.
Banjo, do not give up those Australian farmers about to be harmed greatly did nothing wrong.
Yabby, bloke you are fighting for right, along with informed comments from Rechtub and Diver Dan, hopefully myself you are on the right path.
In the past, you saw it, animal rights lead to some true words wars here.
Some of us truly opposed to any cruelty had to defend our selves often.
The thread is bringing some comments that would see us close this trade, only to see it go else ware, and the cruelty continue.
Life is about getting the best possible out come.
In this case we must stick to it train and demand monitor and change, but not get lost in dislike of a religion and people in another country's way of life.

Yabby,Belly and crew:

There is none so blind as he who cannot see ( or will NOT!)

You insist on side-lining the issue by stating ad nauseum
that this is all about simply stopping the Live Trade!

It is not,....it is ALL ABOUT stopping the CRUELTY that
is inflicted on these animals.

If you choose to use the racial card then so be it!

I call them "monkeys" ( the low-lives on the end of
those knives in the video!)....I am deeply sorry for that
mistake,...monkeys have much more intelligence than those
ingrates that take obvious pleasure in torturing a poor
defenceless animal that is incapable of understanding it`s
horrific pridicament, as it is being kicked and gouged
in an effort to get it to stand ( even with a broken leg!)

I reiterate, if the cruelty CANNOT be stopped then
discontinue the Live Animal Export

Crackup, you played the race card. I simply responded to it.

I am certainly not ignoring the issue of animal welfare, but looking
at the big picture, unlike some, who can't see beyond the tip
of their nose.

Fact is, those shiny new boats will not be scrapped, but source
cattle from Brazil. Then who will worry about livestock welfare
in Indonesia?

Fact is that station cattle produce low value manufacturing
grade meat, they need feedlotting, difficult in the NT. Add the
high costs of operating up there, plus low prices for manufacturing
meat, your meatworks are unviable. Then what?

Fact is that if the price of beef to stations is unviable, they won't
operate. Free roaming cattle would soon become an environmental
problem like free roaming buffaloes, goats and camels.

Fact is there is no good reason why we can't install 20 or 30
modern stun gun kill systems in Indonesia, actively monitor their
use and ensure that Australian cattle go through them. Other
Indonesian meatworks might soon get the drift that if they want
good meat, they might have to change their ways.

MLA have clearly made mistakes. So rectify those mistakes, make
something good come out of all of this, not stick your head in
the sand and create other problems that you haven't even thought
of

Crackcup:

…Keeping this event in context with Indonesia’s long list of atrocities (aided and abetted by the US and overseen by Australia) against its own people, against the people of East Timor and against many thousands killed in West Papua; atrocities perpetrated against animals (as horrifying as it appears on the surface) is insignificant. I think the Australian public need to be wary not to be lead by the nose on this subject; a flavour of the month on ABC television at the moment (NB; Features of “Four Corners” and the “Australian Story”). Who drives this agenda, needs to be questioned.

...All the hypocritical bleating on Animal rights will not be balanced by a decline in tourism to the sorry confines of injustice that Indonesia is. Sorry, but my advice is to grow up, get a life and balance this minor event with the list of horrors the sick country of Indonesia produces, as an ongoing product.

Animal cruelty and particularly live exports are not flavour of the month, the issue has always been around. Programs like 4Corners just bring it out of the cupboard every so often, but there are many people working quietly behind the scenes on these problems all the time. I didn't watch the show, can't watch that sort of stuff at the best of times.

The only way to combat it is to refuse trade or to export frozen meat. If it is so that the Koran is clear about minimising animal suffering why not just kill the meat here then ship. If the meat must be killed halal for religious reasons then those practices can be followed in Australia where there is better governance and a requirement the animal be stunned.

diver dan:

You are a classic example of what I was saying about
side-lining this issue!

Who was even discussing the events that occurred in
East Timor and West Papua,....sounds to me like you
have some sort of axe to grind with that issue, but
please do NOT try to cloud this issue that has little
or nothing to with your meanderings!

You people amaze me, you jump into a Thread and try
change the subject, side-track the issue or simply
make derogatory comments about the posters` credibility
as if it were us that were creating a false issue!

Maybe you are a member of our society who stands to
suffer a loss of financial benefit or alternatively
have some sort of business interest and thus stand
to profit from the continuation of this despicable
treatment of cattle?