Joe Ludwig, the Politicians, Cattlemens Association and ALL producers and exporters of Live Cattle (and Sheep) should today be hanging their
combined heads in shame, after last night`s Four Corners video dealing with the depths of cruelty used in the slaughter of our cattle in Indonesia, and in many other Muslim countries!

This abject cruelty, which has been occurring since the Live Export Trade started in Australia, should now be terminated by the implementation of a total cessation of the export of live animals to these foreign countries, whose meat industry insists on "their version" of Halal slaughter methods (invoking mass cruelty) simply to satisfy their religious requirements!

I was so enraged at the abject cruelty employed by these workers in the sub-stanadard conditions, the way that they kicked, gouged and virtually tortured those poor creatures, before finally sawing through their necks as they screamed with pain for minutes after, that I could have willingy taken a gun and shot each one of those callous "monkeys" who were committing those terrible acts of brutality on those poor defenceless animals!

After watching that video I have decided that never again will I be involved in the breeding of cattle that may one day be unlucky enough to be exported to the death pits of Indonesia.

I became further enraged and disgusted when I realized that we are sending millions of dollars in Foreign Aid to these barbarians who practice their extremist Sharia religous methods upon our cattle, and at the same time wonder how easy they would find cutting off the heads of anyone that they may consider an unbeliever?

The easiest way to solve this problem is to simply cut off ALL live animal trade to Indonesia ( and all other Muslim countries) and deny them access to residency here in our country, so that they cannot indulge their primitive religous practices and demand their Mosques and Halal foods which place them at odds with the established Australian community!

A total ban on ALL Live Exports and the whinging farmers and cattle producers and exporters can "suck it up!"

*and deny them access to residency here in our country, so that they cannot indulge their primitive religous practices*

Your hysteria without knowledge kind of says it all, Crackup.

The Koran actually prescribes that Muslims be kind to animals. If
not all are doing so, then address that issue.

Just yesterday there was a story about the mayor of Tatiara, IIRC,
being massively cruel to sheep. Every day we hear reports of pet
owners abusing pets. Do we ban all pet ownership or the running of
sheep, because some get it wrong?

The 4 corners report was indeed disgusting and those sorts of practices
should not be tolerated. There are 100 meatworks in
Indonesia, if 3 get it wrong, or even if MLA haven't done enough,
then improve on that. Banning the livetrade would be shooting
yourself in the foot. Those boats will simply load in Brazil.

Whilst Australia is active in these markets, Australia can have
an influence on changing behaviour and improve animal welfare in
these regions. Shut the trade and we lose that ability. Indonesia
has 12 million cattle of their own, don't you care about their
welfare?

Given that we spend 4 billion$ a year on foreign aid, some of those
funds could easily be used to improve animal welfare, not just farmer
levies, as is mostly the case now.

I am fully aware that this debate will raise alot of emotions, but
the solutions are about well thought out reason, not hysteria.

Crackup, all those people who were ignorant of, surprised by or have to be informed about reality by 4 Corners should hang their heads in shame.

What planet do you live on for pity’s sake?

It is brutal, live exports should stop, brutality goes on here, it goes on in countries that have no regard for humans let alone animals, Kosher slaughter is little different and don’t ever accept an invite to a celebration of anything in a third world village.

The late arrival of self righteous indignation on such issues reflects a life of self imposed absentia from the real world.

the way we brutalize the unborn shows why we should not be surprised. All cultures and beliefs are equal though acording to many.

If any of you were at all absorbent of the information
that you read on this Forum, you should be aware that
this is not my first indication of "self-righteous
indignation" regarding the subject of animal cruelty,
and I might retaliate by stating that your typical
attitude of blustering pomposity are typical of the
attitude of the many who prefer to turn a blind eye
to the problem, rather than oppose vehemently it`s
horrendous continuation!

Unless people stand up and be counted, by making their
feelings known to the perpetrators of these hideous
crimes, then it will continue forever, as it has continued
so far, because of the public`s waning interest in an
issue that is all to easily hidden away from the public view.

It cannot and should not be condoned, or continued as it is
now, and no amount of ridiculing this subject will ever make
it right in the eyes of the caring and considerate members
of our community.

If it means loss of trade for the country and loss of income
for the "co-conspiritors" of this inhumane practice in
legalised barbarism, then so be it,....at least we could then
object to all other acts of cruelty eg: whale slaughter, seal
and dolphin slaughter with a clear conscience, instead of
peddling the double-standards that seem to be inherent in our
current Government`s policies on many aspects of wildlife
preservation and protection!

As I said before, if you do NOT like my opinion on this subject....Suck it up!

Wooh hoo. Fiesty.

spindoc, this is groundhog day for me, as I basically just did the same routine to Belly about the missing Indian children.

runner,

you'll note that when abortion is performed due to another culture's ideal for a male breadwinner for the family 9(re India), then it suddenly becomes abhorrent to the moral relativists. I suggest if you talk about Indian feticide, then you have a flood of support, but when you talk about Western abortions for lifestyle reasons, then it is a different matter.

I maintain that the reason is irrelevant, either abortion is ok or it isn't. Not being a woman, I don't really have to deal with such a situation, so I find it hard to judge. But I'm all for consistency.

I will sign off by saying that on all matters husbandry, Yabby holds the authority in my book.

Are you a vegan BTW Crackcup? Just wondering.