Thanks yabby well said, crack up blames me for his threads not taking off.
I rather think it is statements like that that are the problem.
The film was awful every farmer who saw it would think so.
Australia has for some time, educated and paid for better facility's to stop such treatment.
It is not within the Muslim faith to kill this way.
Australia's biggest Halal abattoir said today he would be sacked if it happened here.
Now it is wrong, better ways must be found.
Australia is training these people, has done so in Egypt.
If we stop trading /improving will this stop.
Will the cattle from another country be killed in any better way.
Do our suffering cattle know they are Australian.
And as it costs $700 to process one head in our abattoirs, and they could only be killed under Muslim law.
Can we bank on selling killed cattle.
What if they are left to die in our paddocks, along with the farmers.
Are we better for demanding change, paying for it,or should we just tell people in their own country's we are xenophobic.
, how much can we rely on this film,for less than the price of one beast I almost believe those idiots could be bribed to act so badly.
How many, come now,ever saw animals die after waiting in line in ANY meat processing place.
Death is unkind but this was awful find a way to see the sheep waiting in line near you but find also answers not pure bigotry.

Given the amount of whining about even the remote possibility that we may eventually pay more for electricity, what will happen when we suddenly have to pay more for meat, once this export business is stopped.

Let's revisit the human misery that results from those overseas sweatshop and mining industries that exist simply to maintain our own standard of living, which is still not high enough for many.

Not so long ago those speaking out against live exports were seen as a bunch of tree-hugging bleeding-heart greenies but apparently seeing it in your own lounge room somehow makes it real.

This is not a sudden revelation - it has been going on for a decade and it was actually Warren Truss who funded those "humane" boxes and also chose to look the other way.

Crackcup
You are a co-conspirator for not paying for those animals to be slaughtered as you would like.

I have visited abbatoirs and seen sheep and cattle being killed, none of it is pretty. I have killed for my own meat and had to put down animals that I cared for and it is tough.

The scenes shown on 4 corners were bad and i expect that the MLA thought they could change practices before now. Maybe they should set up our own abbitoirs in Indonesia as we have set up the feed lots, to ensure humane handling. Or accept that is the culture and pull out to find other markets for our beef.

Religious and cultural practices and almost impossible to change. Their killing methods are the same as they were a thousand years ago.We have been trying to educate some groups here about FGM for nearly 2 decades and yet the incidence is increasing. I am now thinking we should just stop bringing these people here. That will not stop girls in other places having FGM done to them and if we stop sending our cattle to Indonesia, other cattle will suffer the same fate.

It is confronting to see it on film and so would be film of girls having FGM done to them. Wobbles is right, keep it in perspective and remember all the other human misery that goes on in the world. KIds sold into slavery, in mines and brothels. Womwen having to see their babies starve and so on.

Nobody should have been unaware that the killing methods did not occur but I guess there are some that think milk comes in cartons and meat is already packed in plastic and are shocked to see a mother suckling her baby. It is a reality check for some.

You know they use pesticides on vegetables. NO ONE, is innocent, even vegans. ;o)

Why is it that the "apologists" keep on harping that
this is a new reaction to an old problem and that we
who oppose it are newcomers whom you consider have
been unaware that this bastardry has been going on?

As I have said before, many are aware and have been
aware of the cruelty issue employed right across the
animal farming spectrum,and the only time that I can
remember when any real action to constrain or prevent
further exposed cruelty was taken was way back in the
QueenslandCannon Hill Saleyards issue, during the
late 1950`s!

This lack of any real action to the contain the element
of cruelty is indicative of a greedy, self-serving
industry that considers itself to be above the laws of
humanity, blinded as are many by the almighty dollar!